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Subscribe to RSSThe proposed mosque to be constructed blocks from Ground Zero continued to elicit plenty of discussion from members of both sides of the blogosphere.
Liberal bloggers today reacted to Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson's explanations that the building would not strictly be a house of worship, but a community center with a prayer room. AMERICAblog's Gaius Publius noted Robinson's recent appearance on Countdown with Keith Olbermann in which he said, Publius paraphrases, "It's not a mosque, it's a community center with a Prayer Room." Added Publius: "If Park51 is a Mosque, then the Intel office in Cairo is a Mosque, and the Motorola office, and the Audi office. They all have 'prayer rooms' so that devout Muslims can ... pray. It's what Muslims do, several times a day. They usually look like offices. They're usually labeled 'Prayer Room.' Every Western company in a Muslim country has a Prayer Room. Are all of these offices really Mosques?"
Balloon Juice's John Cole also linked to Robinson's column and wrote, "As a commenter pithily noted the other day, calling this a mosque is like calling a casino in Las Vegas a cathedral because it has a wedding chapel."
On conservative hub Hot Air, blogger (aptly named for the topic) Allahpundit reacted to President Obama's assertion that he has "no regrets" for his comments on the mosque: "How else could he respond? 'Why yes, in light of the catastrophic polling on this issue for my party, I should have avoided even the lame, equivocating statement I gave initially'? His disapproval rating has been creeping up in Gallup ever since he weighed in, rising from 48 percent last week to a siren-worthy 52 percent today. Of course, he regrets it. But now he’s stuck with it, so here’s his -- very -- perfunctory show of resoluteness in the face of self-generated adversity."
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What on earth was President Obama thinking? Did his advisors actually tell him to go “Pro Ground Zero mosque” with 90 days until the midterms when Democrats are about to get sliced up like a Hibachi Steak at Benihana?
Did someone on his team point to Iran and say, “Don’t worry Mr. President, we can win with 32% of the vote, Ahmadinejad did it, so let’s go pro Ground Zero mosque today?”
Read this article which satirizes the whole mess.
VERY FUNNY stuff.
http://www.dailygoat.com/?p=2653
DaveTug:
I don't understand your question. Is it not somewhat refreshing to have a President who will speak his mind and the truth about constitutional rights (while not siding one way or the other on whether the Muslim community center should be built on this exact sight ) even just prior to elections and even if it may have a negative impact on the same for him and his party. Is this not the kind of President we want instead of one who would keep his mouth shut or who would avoid defending people's rights that are inherent in the constitution because an election is around the corner and for political gain?
He was simply stating that we all have a 1st Amendment right to freedom of religion. After all, he DID take an oath to "uphold the Constitution." Do you have a problem with that?
DaveTug
What on earth was President Obama thinking? Did his advisors actually tell him to go “Pro Ground Zero mosque” with 90 days until the midterms when Democrats are about to get sliced up like a Hibachi Steak at Benihana?
Did someone on his team point to Iran and say, “Don’t worry Mr. President, we can win with 32% of the vote, Ahmadinejad did it, so let’s go pro Ground Zero mosque today?”
Sigh....DaveTug.....What the President said was that we have religious freedom in this country. It would be most appreciated by Democrats if the President's advisors did not then come out like whoops, we should pull that back somehow. Nope. We have religious freedom in this country. What would you like the President to say? I support this religious freedom, but not that? If you all could politicize the President sleeping at night you would, wouldn't you? Rather than believing in our constitution and rather than supporting our constitution you all would love to shred the constitution to suit what you like and don't like. That's why it is OUR constitution, not just the Republicans. I am so proud the President stood up and said what he said. And his statement was not pro-mosque building at ground zero. He did not step back from his remarks, he said he would not comment on whether it was necessarily the wisest thing to do, but he stood firmly behind the constitution. Not the same for the weak-kneed Harry Reid, or the political Rahm Emmanuel for whom I have lost all respect. The President needs to do what is right, not what is politically expedient or politically correct. No, we'll leave that up to you nutwings to do.
The fact that you cannot make a comment about your own President without introducing a terrorist into the conversation leaves me with little respect for your thought process also. Maybe you're a Newt Gingrich nazi-slinging republican? Did I hit the nail on the head? Just sling the crap like your brain trusts do.
Good ole Dave gets his info from dailygoat... nuff said...
Ezra Klien has done an amazing job hosting Martin Bahir's program...He needs his own show. He does an excellent job explaining difficult topics to this average American. I am acknowledgeing the awesome work Mr. Klien has done this week. GO EZRA, GO EZRA, GO EZRA!!!!!!!
Islam believers hate everything, and are willing to protest, maim, and kill over anything in the name of Islam, Mohammad, Sharia, or whatever their 3d century beliefs condemn. Perhaps some shoe sole advertisements on buildings in NY City facing Islamic Mosques (what a good idea – not mine though). This I say from a compassionate point of view. Compassionate for those who are not slaughters of innocent Muslims (their favorite target), or non-Muslims. Perhaps those Islamic scumbags that wish us death will commit suicide because of their contact with "unclean" earthly mammals. Not likely. They usually engage in acts of immorality based on their own Islamic standards before they decide to slaughter innocent Muslim women and children, or non-Muslim women and children when they can anyway. Their murderous religion "as we can see by Islamic extremists behavior" allows them to slaughter anybody, regardless of their level of adherence to "true" Islam, as Islam moderates meekly approve this behavior by by their silence. Also, regardless of the so called "moderate Muslims" that the liberal and progressive Americans excuse, and condone their cause regardless of Islamic radical murders. Islamic extremists, and even their Muslim appeasers are are just future threats to any western country in their view, and they see no problem. As progressive Americans you can excuse or ignore Islamic influence all you want. You can let Pres Obama refuse to identify Islamic fundamentalism as an identified threat all you want. You can allow a Mosque at the 911 site because you are so liberal and progressive, and can't condemn anything that is anit-American. The truth is we have too many of our citizens, and so many of our leaders that do not believe in our Constitution, our founding values, or our established economic system of capitalism. Sure fools, let's screw capitalism and turn us into a third world Islamic country that dictates our thoughts, our potential, and our relationships with men or women. If we cannot add pig feet scrapings to products that we send to Islamic terrorist countries, then perhaps we can simply add shoe sole scrapings. Somehow, to show Islamic terrorist child and innocent murders that we “disapprove” of their beliefs, and behavior. What a dream I have. Can't wait to hear the progressive excuses of Islamic terrorist lovers that will condemn me. I will defend to my death the expression of the threat Islamic “Muslims” that threaten America. They have no time-line, they use their radicals as well as their mainstream Muslim indifference, and our own liberal progressives to work against us. Look at insurgencies and wars in the world today. They are almost all Islamic, All Islamic and Muslim fundamentalism centered. Wake up America. So many liberals want to abandon our war in Afghanistan. Well, then how do we defend our boarders? Right, we allow our country's boarders to be a sieve.
Sadly your post lost all credibility as soon as you said "3rd Century beliefs".
The prophet Muhammad is believed to have lived from approximately 570 AD to 632 AD.
This is just as pathetic as the chain e-mail that rambled around a couple of years ago that claimed that in the Book of the Revelation that St. John was told that the anti-Christ was a Muslim.
Danoid:
"Well, then how do we defend our boarders? Right, we allow our country's boarders to be a sieve."
"Boarders?"
Did you mean someone staying at a boarding house? Or were you referring to those who use "boards" instead of skis? Seriously. Proof read your post before you hit POST.
By the way, did you know that this forum permits you to use PARAGRAPHS? It makes your post more readable. Try it.
Everybody knows Islamo-fascists train at Westboro Bastich Church.
Danoid:
Sorry. My posted was directed to milcon. Apologies.
You can bet that this Victory Mosque will have small monuments to the 19 martyrs who died on 9/11...It will become the new "in" place for all the imams to come and spew their hatred...
BS. Get a life.
I assume that's an attempt at humor..? Being from Alabama and telling someone else to "get a life"..
CA: The anti-constitutionalist right wing nuts on here really don't even deserve responses from reasonably intelligent people. Anyone who could post the BS that they post, their hate-mongering divisive slogans given to them by Frank Luntz and the Republican party, the Beckerheads (watch the schizophrenic Glenn Beck, who really needs psychiatric care), they all sound alike. They are really nothing but mad, frothing, rabid animals who cannot find their next victims to hate. The go from one to another like mad dogs on attack. That's the epitome of the mob. They all say exactly the same things, they all make certain they don't stop telling the lies and spreading the stories. They all believe in conspiracy. They cry about their rights being taken away, but just like the most rabid homophobes, they are reacting to their own worst demons. This is becoming the most evil society that I have been privy too. I've been on this earth 67 years. I have no less freedom than the day I was born. I have less taxes than I have ever had in my adult years. But I have never seen the hatefulness that I see day in and day out on these blogs by the true thiefs of freedom, those who want to only have freedom for themselves or those who look and think like them. That's the true answer of osamaobama, JoannaS1, NJ, and the other phobes that post here and sling out their little barbs about their fellow Americans and their President. They are small, small-minded, and basically led by the nose by those who will take their freedoms away, their jobs away, their money away, raiser their taxes to pay for the tax cuts for the rich. They have no understanding of reality.
By the way, I am watching the last combat troops leaving Iraq on MSNBC. On Fox they are still yakking about the mosque and their biased slant.
Dear Cathy M Ky,
Your are just as bad as the people you commented on!! The "big tent" party, all inclusive, love everbody, everbody equal, blah, blah blah... Then you come out with this paragraph of garbage or as you call it "your version of reality". That's too bad it's one sided!!
Oh, by the way, if you tune in to msnbc in five minutes they will be talking about the mosque and fox will be talking about troops leaving, what a putz!!
Get over yourself, your not that important and your post proves it!!!
For the last time IT IS NOT A MOSQUE!!!! Here is the strict definition of a mosque
The basic elements of a mosque are a place large enough for the congregation to assemble, especially on Friday, the Muslim sabbath, and orientation so that the faithful may pray facing in the direction of the holy city of Mecca. The wall facing Mecca is called the qiblawall and is marked by a mihrab, which usually takes the form of a decorated niche. In later ages mihrabsbecame quite elaborate; they are decorated with wooden fretwork in Morocco, with carved and pierced marble in Syria and Iraq, and with lusterware tiles bearing quotations from the Qur'an in Iran.
A mosque usually includes a number of distinctive elements: a mimbar (or minbar), a pulpit that is entered by a flight of steps and stands next to the mihrab; a maqsura,an enclosed space around the mihrab, generally set apart by trellis screens, in which the caliph, sultan, or governor prays; a minaret, a tower, usually built at one or more corners of the mosque, from which the call to prayer is sounded; a sahn, a courtyard, surrounded by riwaqs,colonnaded or arcaded porticoes with wells or fountains for the necessary ablutions before prayer; and space for a madrasa, a school that often includes libraries and living quarters for teachers and pupils.
All the great mosques are resplendent with elaborate decorations, but the prohibition against imitating God's works by creating living forms is always obeyed. Decorations are abstract, and geometric plant forms are so distant from their originals as to be unrecognizable.
Mosques are not allowed to have Basketball courts, Culinary centers and Workout facilities. This is a Muslim version of a YMCA yes it has a prayer space but it is not a formal Mosque. Not to mention the fact that if you look at the location on Google earth you will see it is down two blocks and around the corner for the far corner of the towers property and is more like seven blocks from where the towers stood. It can't even be seen from the 911 site.
I wish the MSM would stop calling a Mosque as well Chuck you and the rest of the 5th estate are supposed to be about truth and facts and on this issue you are failing, the press and media outlets who listened to Pam Geller "who was ground zero for this non story" should be FIRED!!! She is a racist crackpot just like Orly Tatz yet there she is on CNN and Fox spewing her hateful vitriol.
Why don't we just call it what it is ? A monument to Jihadist martyrs...
Go away dumbo! Go blog on Fox or something, you're more than boring.
Less Ask Someone who lost their "Wife" in the 9/11 tragedy perhaps their opinion would better serve us
9/11 WIDOWER:
OBAMA IS RIGHT
Top Republican Attorney Who Lost Wife On 9/11 Speaks Out On Mosque
This afternoon, Ted Olson — whose wife died in the September 11th attacks — distanced himself from other conservatives and told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell that he did not oppose the building of a mosque near ground zero.
“It may not make me popular with some people, but I think probably the President was right about this,” he began:
OLSON: I do believe that people of all religions have a right to build edifices or structures, places of religious worship or study where the community allows them to do it under zoning laws and that sort of thing. And that we don’t want to turn an act of hate against us by extremists into an act of intolerance for people of religious faith. And I don’t think it should be a political issue. It shouldn’t be a Republican or Democrat issue either. I believe Governor Christie from New Jersey said it as well, that this should not be in that political partisan marketplace
Olson also discussed the recent court decision to stay Judge Walker’s decision overturning Proposition 8 and why marriage equality is “consistent with conservative
why don;t you ask evey person who lost a family member in the 911 attack and see what the percentage is of who;s against it.this is a slap in the face of every american who has lost someone to terroist .how dare this president ask these people to oblige the se people to build this thing so close to ground zero.I don;t think the american people espcially the people of New york will let it be built.the people should organize themselves everyday to protest ,if it ever was to even get off the ground.dont be affraid of hussein obama just two more years thank our god.
Carlyss man: It doesn't matter what the vote is. The constitution is the constitution. This country is based on the constitution. Love it or leave it. Isn't that one of the old slogans you guys used to love to toss around?
FACT CHECK: Islam already part of WTC neighborhood
WASHINGTON — A New York imam and his proposed mosque near ground zero are being demonized by political candidates – mostly Republicans –
despite the fact that Islam is already very much a part of the World Trade Center neighborhood.
And that Muslims pray inside the Pentagon, too, less than 80 feet from where terrorists attacked.
And that the imam who's being branded an extremist has been valued by both Republican and Democratic administrations as a moderate face of the faith.
Even so, the project stirs complicated emotions, and Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is a complex figure who defies easy categorization in the American Muslim world.
He's devoted much of his career to working closely with Christians, Jews and secular leaders to advance interfaith understanding.
He's scolded his own religion for being in some ways in the "Dark Ages." Yet he's also accused the U.S. of spilling more innocent blood than al-Qaida, the terrorist network that turned the World Trade Center, part of the Pentagon and four hijacked airplanes to apocalyptic rubble.
Many Republicans and some Democrats say the proposed $100 million Islamic cultural center and mosque should be built elsewhere, where there is no possible association with New York's ground zero. Far more than a local zoning issue, the matter has seized congressional campaigns, put President Barack Obama and his party on the spot – he says Muslims have the right to build the mosque – divided families of the Sept. 11, 2001, victims, caught the attention of Muslims abroad and threatened to blur distinctions between mainstream Islam in the U.S. and its radical elements.
June, there is a prayer room, opento all faiths in the Pentagon. There is no mosque inside the Pentagon.
Ezra Klien The American People Are Not As “Dumb” As You Think we are!
Here’s Klien’s Opinion about Americans as Dumb Voters
Republican Veer Into Social Issues
Ezra Klein: "One political question about the Ground Zero Islamic complex/mosque/theater-space/swimming pool:
“Why are Republicans trumpeting this? And why, a week or two ago, did they start talking about the 14th amendment?”
“Republicans are going to win a lot of seats this year.”
Comment” Because Klein thinks Americans are dummies and don’t know or carewho caused this near depression, therefore, even though we have been pushed back from the brink we will vote overwhelmingly to put Republicans back in office the very Corporate Elitist who cause this recession!
And they're going to do it on the backs of the economy. Comment: The very Economy Mr. Klein doesn’t want to admit that they caused to be thrown under the bus and have no ideas, just bank on the American people being a bunch of “dummies!
Getting into social issues -- particularly social issues that might anger minorities -- is a dangerous play. Comment, so Mr. Klein thinks Minorities are very dumb because they don’t’ pay attention to their voting right or care or can pick the candidate most aliegn with their economic interest rather they are only interested in voting if “Social Issues” are the theme of the day!
“It loses them long-term votes that they just don't need to lose.” Mr. Klein why don’t they need to loose them since they caused this near depression of 80 years!
“It paints their party as intolerant and opportunistic. And it's unnecessary: It's not like they're hurting for things to talk about."
Comment: Perhaps Mr. Klein would like to tell us why his opinion of minorities and the American voter are such that he thinks they are dummies unwilling, unable, or just don’t understand politics that he and others continue to push off on the American people, rather than provide the public with the truth rather than lies, and have some kind of ethics or intregrity. Obviously Mr. Klien has none since his distain for the Americans Voters Intellect places the bar significantly low!
Finally:
Is this guy getting paid to push the Republican agenda and provide strategy for them? If not, apparently he’s just like the rest of the talking heads on cable looking to make news, ratings and mislead the voting public all at the expense of the American family!
Rove Equates Building Of A Mosque Near Ground Zero With A Neo-Nazi Meeting At A Jewish Hotel
As a part of their vitriolic campaign against the Park 51 Islamic community center and mosque being planned two blocks from Ground Zero in New York City, leading conservatives have argued that while Muslims have a right to build a mosque on property they own, it would be unwise or insensitive to do so.
Former Bush adviser Karl Rove was the latest conservative to make this argument, and in doing so took it to new levels, during an appearance on Bill O’Reilly’s show last night. Explaining to the Fox host that the first amendment to the Constitution guarantees freedom of religion and freedom of speech, Rove said that there “are rights everyone has” that we think it’d be “prudent to not exercise them at certain times.” He then cited the examples of skinheads demonstrating at an African-American sorority convention and Neo-Nazis attending a Jewish hotel for a meeting, apparently equating those examples with the building of a mosque near Ground Zero:
ROVE: The vast majority of the American people believe there is freedom of religion in our Constitution and that right of freedom of expression would be best exercised by not building it here. Look, in that same first amendment there’s a right to freedom of speech. Who believes that skinheads should show up at a Black sorority convention and scream bigoted remarks? Who believes there’s a right of freedom of assembly. Who believes Neo-Nazis should show up at the B’nai B’rith hotel and have their meeting in the next meeting room? There are rights everyone has that we think it’d be prudent to not exercise them at certain times
Equating the building of a mosque near Ground Zero with a demonstration by racist skinheads or a Neo-Nazi meeting at a Jewish hotel is extremely insensitive to ordinary Muslims like those building Park 51.
Unlike Nazis or skinheads, the founders of Park 51 are Sufis with no history of advocating hate or taking part in violence. In fact, the founder of the institution, Imam Abdul Rauf, has even advised the FBI and been a diplomatic envoy for the State Department as a part of the U.S. struggle against terrorism. Unfortunately, Rove isn’t the only leading Republican to endorse the Nazi analogy.
Former GOP Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich recently compared the mosque to placing a “Nazi sign next to the Holocaust Museum
We must assume Rove feels the Westboro protesters at military funerals also needn't be accorded their 1sta mmendment rights. Funny, though- I never hear him say that on O'Riely or anywhere else...
Great comment DBO. That hadn't popped into my mind for a while but you brought it back very clearly.
As long as we argue about our fundamental rights (1st, 14th amendment), as long as we lack tolerance (race, immigration), and as long as we are divided as a nation, AL QAEDA IS WINNING!!!! they hate our way of life. so the best way to fight terrorism and radicals is for All Americans to stick together, build this country into the greatest civilization known to man. That is how you give them the middle finger!!! Stop fighting about the silly stuff and create aome JOBS JOBS JOBS!!!!
Maybe First Read can find out what is going on with the re-building of St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church which was near ground zero and was destroyed on 9/11? It is my understanding that they can't get approval from the city of NY to rebuild. Might make an interesting side bar to the mosque fiasco. I haven't seen anything about this on FR or MSNBC, only Fox News and a couple of blogs.
That's not correct.
Nobody is blocking St. Nicholas...the only person I see suggesting this is George Demos, a Greek Orthodox Republican who is running to represent NY-1 in Congress who will, of course, proudly proclaim that this is being blocked on FOX News.
St. Nicholas was destroyed in the attack and plans have been underway for rebuilding. St. Nicholas and the Port Authority were in negotiations for the Port Authority to obtain the land upon which old St. Nicholas stood and for the Archdiocese to build on a new parcel of land donated by the Port Authority with a $20 million subsidy from the Port Authority.
Final terms for approval by the two sides were never reached. For its part, the Port Authority states that St. Nicholas is free to rebuild on its current site.
Want to help? Check this web site.
http://www.stnicholasnyc.com/
Howard Dean has weighed-in on the proposed mosque.
He believes, all things considered, that an alternative site is preferrable.
Is it now open season on First Read to attack Governor Dean?
Honestly...I believe he's got this about right.
So, Pelosi wants anybody who protests the building of the mosque at Ground Zero investigated. At least, she won't have to go far to get the investigation of Harry Reid started! Oh no, wait, Obama has given Harry a "pass" on his statement against building the mosque there. But, of course, that came from Obama...the man who was "for the mosque before he was against the mosque" sort of like Kerry "voted for it before I voted against it".
While Pelosi's conducting her investigation, she personally should have to interrogate the 9-11 families. I'd like her to listen to why they might possibly oppose this mosque.
Pelosi called for this investigation because the opposition (Republicans) are "ginning this up". No, Nancy, when Obama addressed this it became a national topic. And, Pelosi, your trying to breach the freedom of speech of Americans who disagree with you on this is flat out disgusting, un-American. You should resign your position, Pelosi, because your actions do not represent our country.
See what happens when you have religious whackos?
I mean those of you on the christian right...the muslim religion didn't pull 911...19 religious whackos did...like you guys
. . . More confusion. What is Really needed......
A teachable moment for Obama.
Leadership means pointing to clear defined goals and energizing Main Street. It means stating confidence in the bearing - clear heading and clear direction.
What's Obama doing exactly? America is yearning for Leadership. . . .
http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2010/08/pent-up-pressures-will-explo de-into-new.html
It is not the nature of the average American to want coddling by big government.
I have read people stating Christians are required to be tolerant. So Christians are supposed to be tolerant of Muslims. Can anyone tell me where in the Bible it says or God says for us to be tolerant of any other religion? I mean if people are saying this, they must be able to point to where it says it?
Ray,
The entire teachings of Christ center around: do unto others, love your brothers and sisters, forgiveness --even forgive your enemies.
I was in church on the first anniversary of September 11. The priest was talking about how he struggled with what to talk about on this sacred day. Then, he said, it occurred to him that Jesus was all about forgiveness, and embracing his enemies. His homily ended with asking us to pray for the souls of the terrorists.
I was furious. I wondered if I was only the only one in there desperately wanting to leap from my seat, run to the alter and strangle the priest for being so insensitive, and wrong.
Then, after awhile I thought about what he was saying and I had to admit, even while struggling with the many emotions that day, those times and his sermon evoked...that he was speaking of the teachings of Christ.
Can we all understand, empathize and forgive? No, we can't. Not in the instance of 911. Not the many horrific acts of terrorism inflicted on us, our troops, and scores of others around the world. Are we wrong to feel this anger? Maybe.
We try but we are usually incapable of living up to the standards Christ set for us. But we still try (hopefully). And because of this, and because of the laws we have in our country, and the Constitution we live by, we agree that Muslims have a right to build their building.
Please know, just because they can, doesn't mean they should. If they, too, followed the teachings of Christ, they might empathize and decide against it.
And, Ray. God created faith and taught us the way we should live. It was people that created religion.
Again, you have given me a lot of touchy, feely banter. But my question is not what someone feels is correct. Where in the Bible does God tell us to tolerate the teachings of other religions. People such as you, who are trying to be nice, tell me they are taught this in there churches. God tells us to love people but does he tell us to love their false teaching? I have found nothing about tolerating what are termed as false religions. I do not want to know what some priest said because those are his personal views. Again, I want to know where in the BIBLE it tells us to love and tolerate the views of other religions. Someone's tradition is not something to solely base your faith on. My point is that there is a major difference between what someone's tradition say and what the Bible actually says. I have found very little about intelliectual tolerance in the Bible. It in no way condones violence against any other religion or even repression of people. Yes, the Bible says to forgive which is correct. We are not talking forgiveness though. I find nothing about intellectually tolerating other religions. In fact, I find a commandment to point out and seperate from those ideas. If this is wrong, please point out the passage which tells us to tolerate and accept other religions.
Are you suggesting then, Ray, that we may do as we please to anyone who believes in any other religion...Muslim...Buddhist...Hindu...Jew?
Regardless of what The Bible says or does not say about tolerance it does say...
"But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil." - Luke 6:35
"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you." - Matthew 5:44
Perhaps you could learn a lesson from Pope John Paul II. He met with Mehmet Ali Agca, the man accused of attempting to murder him, prayed with him, forgave him, asked Catholics around the world to also forgive him, and even lobbied on his behalf for early release from prison for his life sentence.
A teachable moment? How about a good ole a&s whooping come November, the riechwing droolers are out in force, when dealing with the dopes of nope GOBP always remember that stupid can't be fixed, the solution then is to put them on the train to Beckistan and his Indian burial grounds. Has Beck and his koolaid drinkers ever watched History channel..duh?
What I see coming is the following significance if the Mosque is built.
1) It will be a beachhead for the extremists when they visit the US.
2) It will be celebrated throughout the extremist world as a victory for the terror
3) The 'magnificent nineteen' will greatly honored within its precincts and overseas
4) The US will be forced gradually to adopt Sharia law.
5) It will be the refuge of wanted elements who cannot be touched by US law enforcement.
6) It will be a center for subversion behind a facade for worship.
7) Why I say these things , is because its origins is shrouded in mystery and confusion.
I'm still waiting to see First Read, MSNBC, CNN and all these DEM bloggers open up on Dean, Reid about the Mosque. Waiting.