Second that. Hope everyone has a good Friday and great weekend.

Third that. I want my country to "drive" forward and not hit "reverse". The USA has been losing ground worldwide and it is not because of some progressive, socialist plot, it is because republicans think small and think selfishly.

And a fourth as well!

Onward and Upward. Good morning Red

The first two you listed are positives for Obama and #1 is a negative for millions of Californians. How #s 3,4 and 5 are "wins" for the Dems I don't know.

And speaking of drunk driving, will FR or any of you libs here comment on the situation now getting a lot of press in Virginia where a twice-convicted illegal alien drunk driver killed a nun? That's right.Once again, a person who should have long ago been booted out of the USA killed another person.

I guess I will take the fifth then....lol...make mine Absolute Vodka thanks...But seriously, we HAVE to keep the Repubs from grabbing the steering wheel again otherwise it will not be the ditch we end up i but the bottom of a very high and jagged cliff!

I agree Fiesty, and voted.

It is nice to see Target's CEO had a change of heart regarding that $150,000 donation to an anti-gay candidate. I doubt he would have done so if there hadn't been a hue and cry over it.

Maybe this will be a way to stop these corporations making huge contributions to candidates who have a high tolerance for bigoted racists views....boycott their products and services. Nothing like hitting them in the pocket book.

Anyone know the best link to find out how to keep tabs on these corporate donations?

Good Morning Everyone!!!

Feisty

Could not agree with you more and also remember that everyone should realize when the Rethugs call in the lobbiest that means for sure not for the people but the corporations. Plus they do it so openly and people still want to put them back in office.

I'm for to move the country forward and not backwards. I just don't seem to understand how come people want to remain the same and not to think of the future and to better themselves.

Fishing was fun on Friday and no I'm sorry to say that I didn't hook JoAnn Smith but I did hook if I'm not mistaken Palin (ugh!!). When I pulled the bass out of the water the next thing I knew it went winky wink. So I release the bass so that way she could harass everyone like she does us!!!!

Good Morning Feisty:

A positive post is good for a Friday. Well said. Have a great weekend.

CU,

Yesterday in my neck of the woods a middle aged white guy(who is also a legal resident) got angry in traffic and pulled out a gun. He shot out a tire of the vehicle driving next to him on the highway.

You may be asking yourself: What does this have to do with anything?

My reply to that question is simply: Things happen around the world and sometimes there seems to be a reason but more often than not there isn't a rhyme or a reason. How do you suppose we control every aspect of our world? I know what you are implying and my response to that is that there is no way to prevent bad things from happening. Even if you tighten up immigration you will not be able to prevent this from ever happening. So your argument is silly.

TRR,

Must have been a Large Mouth bASS then eh??

Us Progressives for sure need to get out and vote and make sure that our friends do as well, we need to make sure that the Repubs do NOT grab the steering wheel away from us this time around and upset what fragile chances we have of recovery as it is, especially with them shooting down any bill that they can like they were clay pigeons on a skeet range.

Feisty,

Great post this Friday morning. Let me add a few others to your list. Clapper is moving forward, got out of the Senate late last night. We finally got a bill through to save the jobs of fire fighters, police and teachers this week and Nancy has called all the troops back off vacation (that must piss Boehner off) to vote tomorrow I think. There was a great article on The Nation referring to this bill as Teachers for Food Stamps (referring to the fact the get the bill passed the republicans pulled out the portion for Food Stamps) demonstrating again that the repugs are for Wall Street, Big Business and the richest 2% of the people.

Stopping the oil is a good thing. Now we need to know where all that oil is. I do not believe 75% has gone away so fast. It is out there some where. BP needs to step up and start coming through with their promises.

The Auto Industry has for the first time in decades have all three of the majors making a profit.

On a more subtle note, we got to see a real democrat blow his top (so to speak) on the 9/11 First Responders Bill that the repugs said they would support only to stab America in the back again.

The repugnant Insurance Companies now have the Feds on their backs for ripping off the beneficiaries of our fallen hero's.

Hey TRR I'm in the process of building one of those fancy cement ponds to keep fish in for the RHexST in front of the house. You wouldn't be willing to let a good neighbor in on where that fishing hole is so I could put some of those winky wink Bass in it would you?

Or you can say:

1. GM is building a plant in Mexico

2. Rangel and Waters are being charged on Ethics violations-Does that make me a racist?

3. Kerry might pay his 500K in taxes, don't hold your breath.

4. Obama's economic advisor quits. Wonder why, what comes out today???

5. 26 Billion added to the debt to bail out First Responders. Take a look where that money is going? The teacher's union and city that are controlled by the Democrats.

6. Michele Obama took Air Force 1 to Spain on our dime and reserved how many hotel rooms?

These are REAL issues. If you think Obama's birthday, Palin's kid and Prop 8 that was over turned on the will of the people. You have more to worry about than trivial crap.

108 days and what happened? You complain that 5 days was to long for Katrina. 108 days down here and up to 15,000 people laid off because of Obama's 6 months fear of oil.

Red, besides putting people down, I see you have your priorities in order................amazing!!

CU Farley

The first two you listed are positives for Obama and #1 is a negative for millions of Californians. How #s 3,4 and 5 are "wins" for the Dems I don't know.

And speaking of drunk driving, will FR or any of you libs here comment on the situation now getting a lot of press in Virginia where a twice-convicted illegal alien drunk driver killed a nun? That's right.Once again, a person who should have long ago been booted out of the USA killed another person.

Farley isn't is funny that Obama has not said word one about Prop 8. i think that is a negtive for him, lets face it when Prop 8 was voted he stayed away from that. as much as you think he is a bleeding heart liberal, Gay marrage is one thing he agrees with consertives on and #3 he never wants to think about that again. that has been a pain in his ass for months. i know he is glad that pain is goan. drunk driver should have been goan 3 years ago, it shows the failed immergration policy. its like when they get caught they get to stay for a while instead of being kicked out right away.

farley have a good weekend, going to chicago for brithday weekend. at 48 don't know who many more i will have.

Navy,

Post that source please!!! Because if you can prove that it's some how a Republican OWNED company than I back you, but if you're using our fallen hero's to slam a policial party you are one SICK person!!!!

"The repugnant Insurance Companies now have the Feds on their backs for ripping off the beneficiaries of our fallen hero's."

Thanks & Good Morning Everyone! We should be celebrating our success rather than mud wrestling the right wing nuts who can’t buy a clue to save their lives! lol

Gingerbread Mamma – I’m very disappointed in Target (or Tarjey’ as I like to call it)! I am relieved to see that they walked back their foolish decision and relieved I don’t have to participate in the boycott!

TRR – Good to see you back! Glad to hear you threw the flip flopping large mouth a@@ back as all she would have done is stunk up the boat! Did you use Joe the minnow as bait?

Retired – Thanks for elaborating on additional accomplishments the Democrats have made!

Geeze Paul - you sure have you tighty whities in a knot this morning! BTW: President Obama & the First Lady are paying for their hotel with their OWN money! But you already knew that now didn't ya?

Try to lighten up a little will ya? And have a good weekend! ;0)

Paul-Florida

108 days and what happened? You complain that 5 days was to long for Katrina. 108 days down here and up to 15,000 people laid off because of Obama's 6 months fear of oil.

5 days was too long because Bush Knew Katrina was comming, no one knew what was coming from that well.

5. 26 Billion added to the debt to bail out First Responders. Take a look where that money is going? The teacher's union and city that are controlled by the Democrats.

that is not to BAIL OUT FIRST RESPONDERS, its for there long term care. but you know that. i will ask you, do you have kinds in Public school? because your post tells me you don't either care about our kids or you don't have any. teachers pensions don't pay them like the republican have you think they do. and if you don't like the citys that are controled by democrats then move there and vote them out/

Drunk drivers? How about power drunk elitists who think of themselves first, and everyone else, well, never?

Mrs. Obama and her daughter, along with 40 of her closest friends, just flew to the Costa del Sol in airforce two, taking 60 of the hotel's 160 rooms.

Guess who pays for the 70 Secret Service agents accompanying her on this little getaway?

Guess what portion of the trip the Obamas have to make good on-here's a hint: it is nothing like the total cost.

This has been ignored by First Read, and NBC as a whole. Now, think really hard-what would have been the reaction had this been Laura Bush?

Be honest, you know what it would have been.

You also know what the comments on this board would have been-from the left AND the right.

However, no one seems willing to criticize this trip. No one was willing to criticize the decision to close down ten blocks of D.C., so Mrs.Obama could go to Whole Foods, at great cost to the taxpayer for all those secret service agents.

I object to the wasteful spending by this administration on programs that do not work as advertised; I am incensed at the wasteful spending on their personal indulgences.

If they were republicans, you would be just as angry.

I just find it interesting that Feisty Redhead considers two unmarried teenage parents having relatioship trouble a "win" for the Democrats.

I guess that means she would consider Sasha or Malia getting knocked up and having a baby out of wedlock a "win" for the Republicans.

That's just cold and callous.

Paul, Florida,

The point is that during this week many republicans came out in support of the Insurance Companies making the claim that they were not wrong in what they did. This was the same claim they made and still make that Wall Street did not do anything wrong as well. Most of these companies are own by shareholders that are both republican and democrats.

It is NO secret that Republicans are the party of Big-Business, Wall Street and the RIchest 2% of the population, Prudential, Met-Life etc are Big-Business.

I have seen very few Republicans come forth and denounce this.

Have a geat day.

Feisty,

Is it mud wrestling per say or is it the "other" issues you can't deal with? I don't expect you to answer because you can't. Don't know who you're calling people "Right Wing Nuts" though or is that what you call people that don't agree with you? Looking at past posts you're pretty good at calling people names. So instead of posting facts or sources that support your agenda, your choice to sling mud. But if you concider your 5 "events" as a success, then savor that success. LOL

Jeff,

Not talking about the 9/11 bill, the one that suppose to bail out the teachers, firemen, Police. I use First Responders for both Firemen/Police. Sorry for the confusion.

Yes, you're correct that they knew the storm was coming and was warned and even offered assitance to help evac the area. the Mayor ran to Houston and they put those poor people in the Super Dome. Meaning poor, I mean that it wasn't planned out and everyone from City Government to Federal messed up at the cost of the people.

Navy,

That's a false statement!!! Look at the company's that gave to Obama. You might be surprised.

"It is NO secret that Republicans are the party of Big-Business, Wall Street and the RIchest 2% of the population, Prudential, Met-Life etc are Big-Business."

no joe, no bo, nj

the reason why the MSM except Fox news is staying away from Michelle's trip is because the first lady always travels like this. Hillary, Barbra, Laura, so why is Michelle any different from them, also you probably did not notice when they were on vacation because it was something that was expected of the first lady. also you must have inside information about who's paying for it. you do know the Obamas are millionaires!!!!! when reagan was spending so much time on his ranch in calf, did you ask who was paying for this? but i guess you are hold the Obama to a higher standard then other persidents, after all he is the first black president and i know its up to you to make sue he brother is not using YOUR tax to travel.

So instead of posting facts or sources that support your agenda, your choice to sling mud. But if you concider your 5 "events" as a success, then savor that success. LOL

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Puleeze Paul!

Save me the self rightous holier than thou BS - what I say pales in comparision to what the right wing nuts say around here! If you are in fact a regular of FR - when have you called out one of your own on some of the names they call our sitting President! I'll tell you when... NEVER!

Thanks for sharing your selective reading skills Paul! I have on MANY occasions posted links and facts backing up my 'agenda'... if you chose not to read them well... whatever...

So Paul in essense you're a liar! You really should do some homework BEFORE you start throwing out false accusations!

Oh and... I'm savoring away while you're simmering... ;0)

Paul-Florida

Jeff,

Not talking about the 9/11 bill, the one that suppose to bail out the teachers, firemen, Police. I use First Responders for both Firemen/Police. Sorry for the confusion.

Yes, you're correct that they knew the storm was coming and was warned and even offered assitance to help evac the area. the Mayor ran to Houston and they put those poor people in the Super Dome. Meaning poor, I mean that it wasn't planned out and everyone from City Government to Federal messed up at the cost of the people.

Paul that not true, Now the former mayor was a idiot, but the day the levees failed i remember he was at city hall, watching the water raise. now the super dome was ridicules, he should have never allowed all those people to go there. yes ray, ray was a idiot.

why not get money to states to make sure they don't have to layoff cops and firemen. i think the teacher part is your problem.

Well I lost count - but Fiesty you can count me in!

And No Jo - check out how all the other First Ladies traveled please. Geezzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Paul Florida,

You are living in a dream world. True both parties have taken money from the above. But it is the republicans that have trashed the regulations regarding Wall Street, Insurance, Oil Companies and Big Business leading to the greatest financial disaster every. It is the republicans that want to add an additional trillions of dollars to the deficit in Tax Cuts for the Richest 2%.

Sorry, everything the republican party has done in blocking bills adding to the deficit is directly for Wall Street, Big-Business and the Richest 2%.

My observation is true, you are the mistaken one.

Paul in FL,

1. Ford is building a second plant in China.

2. Boehner won’t reveal potential ethics problems he has with several House Republicans.

3. Taxes either have been or will be paid.

4. Only she knows for sure but she did say it was for her son who starts HS this fall. She has applied for a job with the Federal Reserve in San Fran.

5. Your statement is just wrong, thru and thru.

6. The media reported that the Obama is paying for everything except the security staff.

Really, Feisty! Best week EVER! Have a good weekend!

Don't republicans have anything else to yell about than Michelle Obama or Pres Obama's vacations. How devoid of thought can people get--previous republican and democratic presidents AND their families all took vacations, all required secret service yet the GOPers single out Pres Obama's family as if this was something new and some evil plot to spend taxpayer dollars. I'd suggest some people are in need of a new heart, a new brain, and some courage--The Wizard of Oz can help you, the "better angels" gave up on you years ago.

This continued Obama vacation bashing makes everyone of you sound petty, childish, idiotic, and ridiculous!

Feisty

Yes I did use Joe the minnow that's how I caught Palin the large mouth bA@@.

Have a nice weekend.

I knew it TRR! lol Our very own FR large mouth a@@ LOVES her some minnows!

You too!

right on jody!!!

B Honest

I couldn't agree with you more!!! We have to get out there and remind everyone to vote so that way we can keep the country going forward. Like you mentioned times are very fragile!

I was touch by your story yesterday on having your own business and then losing everything. But is nice to know that you still have a great attitude on life. I wish you nothing but happiness.

Have a nice weekend B Honest!!!!

IR

Come to Barboursville, WV anytime and I'll be glad to take you fishing. The lake is located in Louisa, KY and the name of the lake is Yatesville Lake. It's a very beautiful lake.

I'm sure there are more of Palins large mouth bA@@ or I should say her followers. It would be nice to be rid of them. I would hate for the lake become over populated with that brand of fish!!!

Have a nice weekend IR

Feisty, thanks for posting your thoughts today - I love it when they line up with my own, I typed this up last night and am just now getting into the mudpit today:

"Do you know how I know We Dems are winning? By the way the right can only screech from one nonsensical topic to the next. While we witnessed a Federal Court overturn the outrageous Prop 8 election results as unconstitutional and we watched President Obama’s 2^nd Supreme Court nominee win Senate confirmation this week, and the President signed no less than five bills into law, including legislation reducing gaps between crack and cocaine sentencing; the new complaint this week is where Michelle Obama is spending family time with her daughter. And the tenor is reaching feverish pitch because really, HOW DARE SHE?

When the right can’t win on the issues and they have NO facts with which to debate substantively, they simply reach down in the gutter and start flinging the mud. When I think the right has bottomed out in their ability to stoop to new lows, someone tosses them a shovel and I’ll be snookered if they don’t deepen the trench. Pretty soon it will be big enough to actually bury an elephant. (Visual intentional.)

Presidents’ families are making incredible sacrifices and if they want to travel and educate their children by exposing them to many different cultures and societies, why is that cause for frenzied vitriol? Personal Vacation Expenses are paid for with the President’s own funds. Securing this President and his family wherever they may be is the responsibility of the United States. This is the way it has always been. And yet you’d think there was some nefarious plot to bankrupt America by vacation alone. And when you think about it,…Isn’t that pretty much what George W Bush pretty much did? I mean he was off the clock, as it were for over 31% of his presidency.

The Repubs managed to ‘starve the beast’ of government, intentionally; and the media wants to give them a microphone with which to complain about the minority status they find themselves in? I suppose we are expected to have compassion for their lot? I actually saw Mitch McConnell say yesterday that he would work toward bipartisanship if the proposals came to him in a RIGHT of Center approach. Hey, Mitch, I hate to be the one to point out to you that you FAILED at your last attempt as a majority and you have done NOTHING to earn the keys back to the family car. Oh, and if the poutrage is about DEMS shoving stuff down your throat, imagine the gall of us VOTERS actually placing the Dem majority there INTENTIONALLY. You want to act like it was an accident or a mistake; but I assure you – it was not. We took one look at your incompetence and the incompetence of your former leader and we voted as far away from your ridiculous positions as possible. You sitting on your hands with an empty playbook for 18 months is NOT going to win you the majorities you would like. And for those keeping score at home, I’ve got my feet kicked up and I’m enjoying yet ANOTHER successful week as a Democrat. I love our President! And though you’ve tried with what I can only assume is your best effort to ruin him with your Thousand Cuts a Day strategy, like every other week – his agenda is moving forward; and, well, you’re just sitting there looking exactly as ineffectual as you’ve become. You can’t stop a train, McConnell, so you might as well just GET ON BOARD!"

I can see the protagonists are just gnashing their teeth and practically apoplectic over any successes. It looks like something straight of Lush's "To Complain" list,...Priceless!

TRR I have heard it thru the grape vine that another good friend of mine from Ky. is close to you over there. One never knows maybe we can all get to gether and do a little fishing and set down of a evening over looking the Soggy Bottom. Goes both ways if you ever get to wandering over in the Blue Ridge give a shout. I don't know about those winky Bass but the kids pulled some three pound regular ones out of my pond two weeks ago. Take care and have a good weekend

GBMama

OpenSecrets.org is a good site for following the money trail.

Nice work Clara - you're much more eloquent than I am! ;0)

Feisty Redhead and her kind depress me with their blind allegiance to the wrongness of the liberal way.

Wow the hate from the libs is absolutely thick. I suppose you poor uneducated socialists really believe that if you lie often enough it becomes truth. Clara there is no verifiable evidence to anything opensecret.org publishes. And of course you all gloat over empty victories they won't last and this November real Americans will vote the socialists out and begin rebuilding America. It will be a long process though as Obama and Pelosi have destroyed alot in a very short period of time.

There's just one little flaw in the argument that 'all first Ladies travel this way-

they don't.

I had no argument with the vacation being tacked on to the state visit in France. I have no argument with yearly family vacations.

this is neither-this is a 'chick trip' to a RESORT in SPAIN-the sole purpose of which is funzies for the First Lady and one of her daughters-and 40 of her friends.

I have a BIG problem PAYING for this. And, yes, folks, we are paying-through the nose.

$2500 per room for the 70 odd secret service agents-for which neither the Obamas, nor any other president, have to reimburse us.

NOT TO MENTION the differential between what it ACTUALLY costs to travel on Air Force Two, and what the reimbursement rate is-it is quite a differential, folks.

Then there is the 'finger in the eye' aspect of this trip-which, if any of you were really honest, you would be decrying even though the Obamas are democrats-

this economy is spiraling the drain, Obama's policies are making things worse, not better, and the missus goes to Europe for a truly posh vacation. The hue and cry if this were a republican president would be DEAFENING.

The difference is that I would have just as much of a problem with this trip if the Obamas were republicans. It is called having one standard-not two.

Looks like I'm in the majority with this. go on over to realclearpolitics and check out the poll averages.

Obama is down to his base---

and dropping.

Really no jo? Did you have that problem when Laura and her chicks were traveling?

Glad to see all the Democrats think this election is sewn up. The sad fact of the matter is this Mid-term is the Republicans to lose and they seem to be working overtime by making bad choices in how they debate and attempt to modify legislation. The good news is if Harry and Nancy manage somehow manage to hang onto to their power this year then in 2012 they will be matching General Custers leading their troops into battle !!

Shortly, Nov 2, I think it likely, that all of your"gains, will become moot.

Shortly, insurance farce repealed.

Public housing repealed.

Welfare repealed.

Negative income taxes repealed.

Yeah yeah we know, the leeches thought this would go on forever.

Party is over, Obama did accomplish one thing. We now understand there is no end to the demands of the parasites, every year, they will want more. They will continue to do that, till you vampires, implode the economy.

We are done.

Look for, "relearn to work" classes, going to get hungry, fior the parasites that have been living off of the taxpayers for the last 50 yeaars.

Leeches, parasites, vampires, "relearn to work"?!?!?! Sounds a lot like code words for "lazy ni66ers" to me Jerry. For the last fifty years, are you referring to the civil rights movement?

If you aren't willing to not appear to be a racist, you probably are a racist. Words to live by in the Twenty-first century.

Feisty Redhead... It's always a comfort to read your comments on these threads. You conduct transitional phases between seriousness, thoughtful insight, adult analysis, irony, clever remarks directed at the continued trend of self-lobotomization of the fringe right, and occasional hilarity. Much thanks from a fellow just a few stone throws away in Rolling Meadows.

No Joe, you only see what you want to see. Laura, Barbara, Hillary all traveled the same way; to say otherwise is seeing what you want. Repeat, it makes everyone of you who insist on making this an issue look childish, petty, idiotic and ridiculous.

Gentle Hawk,

Thanks for the kind words neighbor!

Jody-when, exactly did laura Bush go to a $2500per night resort on a chick trip?

Um, that would be never'.

The 'cutesy poo' DNC talking point that 'all First Ladies travel THIS way is not working. yeah, I get what you mean-they take Air Force one or two, have a secret service detail-but it is stated ambiguously for the purpose of deluding people into thinking that EVERY First Lady took advantage of the taxpayers this way.

They did not.

The reimbursement rates are set o that the taxpayers get back a portion of what is actually expended. True of alll First ladies.

How many take up a third of a truly expensive, posh resort in the south of Spain? I'm going out on a limb, here-one.

Michelle 'let them eat arugula' Obama is historically unprecedented, okay. It takes a special brand of chutzpa to rub the electorate's nose in your indulgence at a time like this.

Of course, she's counting on the media to ignore it. She's probably right.

The media ignores this stupidity because they rarely pander to racists, unless they work at Faux News.

Try looking up the total expenditures made on behalf of First Ladies and the President's family, subtract out the reimbursements made and tell me what percentage above the "norm" Mrs. Obama has created in expense to the tax payers. B!tch, b!tch, b!tch..........is that all you can do?

Eric, Kendrick Meek will not win the Dem primary, he is a good guy but it ain't gonna happen.

We have a faux Dem. Jeff Greene who has more money than God, and is spending it to buy his place in the race, Meek simply cannot compete with that and that is too bad. I voted by absentee ballot for Meek but I'm not confident he will win the primary, most people tend to vote for the one who is wallpapering the race with their message.

If Meek loses, Charlie will win in Nov. and that will be good for Florida.

If two democrats are running: A centrist and a leftist, in a primary election.

It is a lot easier for the centrist to win in the general election.

Your post doesn't seem to be associated with the topic of this thread. Did I miss something?

Excellent.

Republicans like baby steps, change scares them. When they are in power, their "vision for the future" amounts to one week ahead.

@Colorado:

The post really doesn't give us a whole lot to work with, so I think a change in subject will be fine. ^_^

Morning Ron

As the republicans have less and less to say, they seem to shout louder and louder. And their rants get crazier and crazier.

Have a great weekend everyone! :)

Jody, the republicans "vision of the future" amounts to when is the next recess.

Remember conservative's law, you f##k, wih the bull you get the horn

Whole bunch of us, are tired of playing around with parasites.

Whole bunch of us, are tired of playing around with parasites.

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Funny thing Jerry a whole bunch of the COUNTRY was tired of playing with the parasites which is why we exterminated them in 2006 - 2008 and will again in November 2010.

Just you wait and see!

OKAY FEISTY, we will see, pray every night before you go to bed, that you are correct.

You will not like it here, if you are in error.

This time we take back all of the parasite bills.

The vampires will retun to skulking only in the dark, again

Hon... I've been around here for a hell of a lot longer than you...

Having said that... I will SEE you in November... M'kay?

BTW Jerry: In case you haven't figured it out... I don't feel it necessary to PRAY!

Feisty, is it my imagination, or are the right wingers becoming increasingly unhinged?

They claim that they are going to win big time in November. DUI bush had a 26 percent approval rating for an extremely long time and the democrats only got sixty senators.

President Obama has an approval rating close to fifty percent now. It does not seem to me that as they say """" the overwhelming majority of the population is against the democrats""""

No NewDay... it's not your imagination...

The more they come to grips with the fact they are and will remain the minority... the more they behave like a vampires being hosed with holy water!

Whether they like it or not... the country is moving forward... with or without them! ;0)

Yes, get out and vote. Actually Republicans took the last 20 months off, saying NO doesn't take much effort.

The picture of the mosque. Because if not for the actions of the filthy radical muslims, those people would not be sick in the first place and hundreds of their friends and family wouldn't be dead.

And corrupt conservative christian morons like you Chuckey Doll Farley are trying to categorize all Muslims as radical just so you can have neverending crusades. It's you filthy radical christians who keep radicalizing Muslims to want to attack us. Try practicing some of that false garbage about loving thy neighbor sometime so we don't have so many enemies. Muslim Americans have as much right to build their mosque two blocks from ground zero if they want to, remember it's their country too. Do something positive to minimize radical Muslims, hug a Muslim today and show them that mythical christian tolerance.

Eric,

Really??? Who attacked who? Who fired the first shot?? You want to debate this? there's a difference from radical Muslims and Muslims, just like radical Cristians and Cristians.........

CU Farley:

The picture of the mosque. Because if not for the actions of the filthy radical muslims, those people would not be sick in the first place and hundreds of their friends and family wouldn't be dead.

The KKK was an organization of filthy radical white Christians. So let's ban all white Christian churches, no matter how moderate or progressive, from being anywhere near African American neighborhoods. Those white Christians are all the same, after all just like Muslims are all the same. The distance of the state-imposed ban on religious freedom would have to be determined by the government, of course. Some activist judge might prevent that, though.

CU, you said, "filthy radical muslims" but the Muslims that are building the Islamic Civic Center and mosque are not radical. Would dropping "radical" and just saying "filthy Muslims" be more accurate language to describe your sentiments?

Just as it was yesterday, the anti-mosque posters do not get the point. The terrorists win everytime any American paints all Muslims with the terrorist brush, the terrorists cheer your prejudice, they cheer your fear of Muslims, they cheer your willingness to eliminate relilgious freedom--it is what they hope, it is in their minds a win.

The NYC Muslims were not the 14 radical Al Qaeda hijackers and it wasn't just New York City that was attacked. There is Pennsylvania and the Pentagon. There were four planes and the NYC Muslims were not on them, had no connection to the hijackers, they were secondary victims also.

Republicans are quick to cheer the 9/11 heros yet insulted them by denying aid to them. Why? Because their noses were out of joint--how dare Speaker Pelosi use a procedural tool to speed up the legislative process. Why wouldn't she skip the process? This was a bi-partisan piece of legislation, republicans supported it yet they insulted the 9/11 rescue workers because their noses were out of joint, they behaved liked spoiled, selfish children.

What fantasy world do you live in where you think the Islamofacists give a f**k about American tolerance? The only time any such thing crosses their twisted minds is when they laugh at how stupid, PC and suicidal the liberals of the USA are.

After 9/11, every muslim should be walking around condemning and shouting down muslim terrorism in the loudest voice possible. But they didn't have to. Why? Because you enablers turned them all into the victims. The frickin' nerve of you people and your muslim friends. THEY are the victims? Get the f**k outta here! Every person who has ever been an enemy of America has been adopted by American liberals as a special mascot and protected victims (and in many cases heroes). The Soviets, the North Vietnamese, Latin American dictators, street criminals...and now radical muslims. And you wonder why so many people call you traitors...

If you insult the general Muslim population (more than one billion people). It is a lot easier for radicals to recruit from the general Muslim population or from many other populations that would see you making unfair generalizations about people.

There are six billion people on the planet. Forget about exporting anything to those Muslims.

Wheres all the oil again I.R.?

Oh....thats right just like weve been saying the ocean ate it all up...... the amount of oil that came out of the broken well was the equivalent of a can of pop in the new Dallas Cowboys Stadium.

Mother Nature is doing her job....

We all know that the libs were hoping this thing would have been much worse and drove the price of gas up so they could use this as a reason to shove cap and tax down the American peoples throats....

Too bad for you guys..... the Gulf coast is starting to open back up and its starting to get back to business as usual...... BP will clean up what they are responsible for and life will go on....with no cap and tax thank God Almighty.

Great post. I had not heard about that conservative group.

One of the most frustrating aspects of the BP disaster has been watching republican governors demand continued exploratory drilling while begging for help for the victims in their states and criticizing the Fed Government for not responding to their liking. Much of the criticism was the result of feeling helpless and scared but also made them appear irrational. This was an ongoing, unprecedented disaster; the government did respond quickly but dealing with a continuous spill took massive effort to begin to control and fix as well as continuing to change what wasn't working.

Good post I.R. voted

I for one do not believe the rosy predictions of BP and the government that most of the oil has dissipated. It seems most everyone is eager to turn the page on this disaster, I hope not. the wetlands alone will take years, if ever, to be restored.

BP has managed this disaster very well, hiding the evidence,of how much wildlife has been lost and how the waters of the Gulf have been poisoned.

Ditto that GM!

It's been nothing more than PURE propoganda since the beginning about how much oil was gushing - how much wildlife has been affected - where the oil is now & my personal FAVORITE the dispersant's are SAFE!

I didn't believe them then and no way in hell I believe them now!

Okay Larry let’s kind of look at this thing here. Where’s the oil? Good commons sense tells me that millions of gallons of oil and toxic dispersant don’t just poof magically disappear. So that means that it’s still somewhere. So if it has evaporated into the air then the atmosphere in the gulf area may contain and continue to contain enough toxins in pp million to cause Cancer and Respiratory illness for quite a while. Here again the ocean didn’t eat it but I’ll bet a lot of fish did and if it didn’t kill them they now contain enough Toxins in pp million to have the same effect. So no matter what some folks say I would be more of the opinion that we still have a problem even if we can’t see it

As far as the charge that libs would wish that this destruction on us I find that just as ridiculous as most sane people would and pretty much along the same lines as the original intent of my post. We need to get past the point where ridiculous things are going to be allowed to bend the reaction to the problem.

Larry,

I find it truly hilarious that while the oil was gushing from the Macondo Well that the Repubs were calling it Pres. Obama's responsibility. Now that the gusher is stopped you are ll praising it as BP's responsibility. What is it, or do you all just flip flop around like Large Mouth b@SS yourselves on the bottom of the boat dying for lack of oxygen, or is this just your normal state?

IR,

Very thoughtful post. I am about as far away from LA as you can get and still be in the USA. I am only about 35 miles south of the Canadian Boarder. I have been watching this BP disaster and I am not surprised by the fact that there are reports of dishonest people trying to use this disaster as their own private cash cow. This makes it all the harder for legitimate businesses to get their money. We saw this in Katrina as well. BP should pay every dime for the damage and lost income they created in the name of Greed. Also I hope that their is a mechanism in place to catch the crooks as well.

I do not think President Obama will let BP slide on their responsibility, I just want the people in the Gulf to get their money now and not have a situation like in Alaska where people are still waiting. That would not be acceptable.

Larry, are you kidding me?

I am in Kalamazoo, Michigan and we are currently dealing with our own little oil spill up here. Over a million gallons into the Kalamazoo River, a direct line into Lake Michigan. We have been watching daily the incredible damage that is being done to our ecosystem. Farmers can no longer use that river for irrigation. Marshes, wildlife, homes destroyed. But hey, Mother Nature will take care of it, oh and Enbridge. And really, those pesky ol' liberals really wanted this to happen anyway so it's all good. Jack Azz.

Bee Honest- Where you be? You busy trying to prove Bush/Cheney brought down the WTC, you tinfoil-hat wearing commie? Or were you out collecting baseball bats to hand out to leftist thugs to intimidate people at the polls this November? Huh? What it be, B?

UpChuck,

Considering that all you ever do is spout hate, fear and discontent the rest of your lies and innuendos mean nothing to me. Bush and Cheney caused a lot of people all across the world pain and hatred and the right has been thugs for a very long time. The only person I see wearing the aluminum foil hats are you racist, immoral, loudmouth, fascist idiots who happen to inhabit the FAR FAR right and have no idea what reality is. I happen to KNOW what the Truth is and happen to live it daily, you would not recognize truth if it bit you on the nose let alone know what to do with it.

What is it with you socialists and your hatred of successful people? I mean, I know you are jealous, that goes without saying. But the bitter hatred and viciousness is pathetic. Did it occur to you all that maybe if you spent less time screwing around on the internet, you could get out there and make some money and be sucessful too? No, you would rather sit behind your computer and envy other people who worked hard and prospered. Losers.

The leaders of tomorrow and the current entrepeneurs are not sitting at home right now complaining, whining and b***hing about rich people. They're out there getting things done. And in a few years you all will be nagging them and calling them names and telling them to pay more taxes so they can give their $$$ to layabouts, lefty losers and baby-mamas.

And don't even think about calling me a hypocrite for being on here too. I'm not the one constantly demanding OTHER people's money, am I? And don't start with the "ok...we'll take away the fire department and see how you like it" crap. We all know that things like that are what taxes are SUPPOSED to go for. NOT ridiculous social experiments that EFF up the country for 4 decades running.

no joe,

Your really need to stop all this conspiracy theory stuff. Forever and a day numbers from the many government departments that have a required release dates (unemployment, GDP, etc) get updated. Why? It is because some of the data is not final and an estimated number is used. Sometimes the private sector companies required to report are late or the data is inaccurate or incomplete.

Eric

So basically what your saying is that theses billionaires should give their money to the poor but ONLY if the Federal government gets their hands on it first?

You realize that what they are doing will actually help more people then giving it to the government right?

How you ask? Well they are going to give the money to non profit charities with minimal overhead so that the vast majority of the money actually gets to the people it is intended to help. As opposed to having it taxed and most of it going to China and the rest being spread out between the Unions.

IWhere you have a ridiculous hatred for anyone that becomes successful I am proud of these gentlemen for doing what God calls us all to do -- give back part of what He has blessed us with to help those that need help.

What they are doing is EXACTLY what makes this country the greatest country on the planet.

I'd rather see the money put to charitable purposes than see them using the many loopholes to avoid taxes--they don't pay much taxes as it is and if the GOP has their way, they'll continue paying the 17% Dennis mentioned yesterday adding another $630 billion to the debt. I admire Bill Gates and Warren Buffet for at least trying to do some good with their money. I would also like to see them pay the same income tax rate as the other 95% of the population.

Jody this is why we need a flat tax. This way we all pay the smae (% wise) amount of our money to the gov't

Now a simple fix to this whole mess would be:

The gov't gets a certain % of the citizens earnings (say 10%). That is what they have to work with for the year. This means they would have to prioritize and decided what is most important and what is least important.....for example: Police, military, firefighters and teachers would be at the top of the list.... giving money to schools to find out how cracked out monkeys react would be at the very bottom.

Huh....if that sounds somewhat familiar....its because its what american families have to do every month.... We have to rack and stack our expenditures....things like the mortgage / rent and the power / gas bills are at the top and things like going to the movies or going to McDonalds are at the bottom.

Why is it we the people can do this but the gov't is held to a different standard?

Chuckles,

You cry foul about the inheritance tax and, sure, you have a right to do it. But spare us the argument that this is about socialism and hatred of successful people.

It's one thing to argue about entrepreneurs and people earning their money through hard work.

How do you feel about people, though, who can only claim their riches by being members of the "Lucky DNA Club" (Read: Paris Hilton)?

Da noid

So they should have to give up more of their money because they have more?

Why dont we just install a flat tax and then everyone pays their fair share...isnt that what Libs are always screaming for?

:^)

CU,

Why are you against anyone not born with a silver spoon in their mouth? The REAL truth is that the game is rigged and it isn't a level playing field. You imply that hard work and discipline is all you need but that isn't the reality.

Do I want their money? Nope because I didn't earn it but neither did they. Unless of course by earning you mean under paying and over working your employee's or paying slave wages to your outsourced factories in Taiwan, India, ect.

Does this apply to all successful businesses here in the U.S.? no of course not but those not playing these games are under a constant threat of closing because it's hard to compete with companies that have absolutely no morality or business ethics.

I am not against successful people but rather the success at any cost mentality. The only successful people who complain about paying more in taxes are usually the ones who have created their fortunes by screwing over everybody else.

Joe, while I understand your rant and rave ,and I've posted my plan to end illegal immigration time and time again - something business don't like, you know, fine employers and landlords and make them pay to send the illgals home, do away with wet foot/dry foot - but the one thing you all need to remember, the businesses vote repugnant, and as long as they do, the repugnants are only using illegal immigration as a smoke and cover, they have no intention of doing anything about this problem, if they did they would not have a problem with fining the employers and landlords!

On another note - aren't you off topic here? Yep, thought so.

Entirely possible under the current 14^th amendment? ABSOLUTELY.

How much sleep did you lose trying to come up with this one? Hypotheticals are great fun for extra-terrestrials, the super bowl and that good looking lady in the corner booth but not much good for anything else, in MHO.

Usually, when someone tells me I surely must agree, my initial reaction is "the hell I must"! Same thing here! What was your next musing - how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

Thanks right Joe, que the paranoia!

Joe:

Surely most FR lefty liberals will agree that an amendment to the Constitution that could allow such a result is fatally flawed and needs to be fixed.

Maybe it is fatally flawed. Look at the idiot that the Constitution allowed to be president in 2000, at least the Constitution as interpreted by the radical rightwing Supreme Court.

@Houston:

I still want to know why the Supreme Court granted certiorari to Bush v. Gore.

I stand corrected. It seems the FR lefty liberals would have no problem at all with the concept of Osama bin Laden's child becoming a citizen and President and pardoning him for his 3,000 murders on 9/11. My only issue is that, after giving it some thought, I shouldn't be at all surprised by the lefty liberals position on this issue.

Sad.

Wouldn't Osama bin Laden have to be convicted of the crime of mass murder before he could be pardoned by his hypothetical son who has somehow managed to become president even though we all would know that his father is Osama bin Laden? Which means he, UBL, would have had to been put on trial and convicted, even though his defense would be that he works for the CIA, and was just following Cheney's orders on 9/11.

Probably the silliest hypothetical I've heard in quite some time.

Why would we knowingly put Osama bin Laden's anchor-baby son in the Whitehouse? Would he have been running against Sarah Palin?

Paul, you're not very bright, are you? First, Presidents pardon the commission of the crime, not the conviction and sentence. Do some research on Ford's pardon of Nixon:

Now, therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from July (January) 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.

Second, the point of this hypothetical situation was to SHOW WHAT KIND OF RIDICULOUS RESULT COULD OCCUR UNDER THE CURRENT 14TH AMENDMENT.

What part of "Extremely unlikely? Absolutely" in my post do you not understand??

Joe in Albany: I rarely read what you post, simply put, it is not worth my time. But, since I DO read what Paul posts, let me respond to this. If it is "extremely unlikely? Absolutely" then why did you take the time to set up such a ridiculous scenario? And since it was your beloved Bush Jr, that ignored the warnings...I guess the conclusion that reasonable people would draw is that it is the Conservatives who simply do not care what Bin Laden or his spawn do.

Joe,

Absolutely fascinating that you chose one Repub pardoning Nixon, another Repub, whom EVERYBODY knew was criminal, so that he would escape punishment for his crimes and to stave off a deeper investigation yet into his crimes. Repubs are into exonerating their own criminals as this clearly shows. Way to go Joe

NewDay,

I put Joe, Albany on the handy dandy 'ignore author' button once it became clear he's not old enough to shave... lol

Good idea, Feisty, I haven't used the ignore button yet. Will try it.

I have been tempted to use the ignore button, but like Faux News, you have to hear what lies they are telling now in order to rebut what their fool-lowers will blindly regurgitate next. It's unpleasant but necessary to remain 'culturally' informed. I haven't succumbed to the temptation to "ignore" yet but JoAnna and ITM are getting close to gone from my world. Good morning Dawn.

newdaymoron, Feisty beat me to it, but, clearly you are not bright enough to comprehend my posts, and I also would recommend you put me on "ignore" so that I don't confuse you anymore.

BTW, do you really read Paul's "truther" posts about how 9/11 was "an inside job"?? If so, you might also put yourself on "ignore".

LMAO@U!!!!!!!!!

I hear you Paul...

But Minnow Joe is only looking for a fight and I don't have the time or inclination to validate the moron!

He's just not feisty worthy... lol

"I put Joe, Albany on the handy dandy 'ignore author' button once it became clear he's not old enough to shave... lol"

I'm hoping like Hell for all the males within 5 miles of Feisty, that being "old enough to shave" is not her crochety, old, self-professed "Cougar" criteria for going after a young one.

YIKES!!!!!

Morning, Paul: You have had some really pithy and excellent posts these days! This thing with the First Families travel is absurd. They pay their personal expenses, but people want to carp about the system in place to keep them safe. It is really not their choice about how they travel, the mode of transport, or the protection they get, which leads to the amount of rooms that they must have. If people don't like that system, I guess the alternative would be to not offer protection. How is that better?

Paul said: "I have been tempted to use the ignore button, but, blah, blah, blah and blah, blah, blah, some more"

Gee, Paul, what you didn't say is how F'in' wrong you were about the Presidential pardon.

Moron.

Gotta go, filet mignon and Alaska sockeye salmon on the grill await my presence.

After a delicious lunch of grilled fillet mignon with bernaise sauce, and grilled Alaska sockeye salmon drenched in garlic butter and a garden salad (no Whole Foods arugula, thank you, and now that we have free healthcare, I couldn't care less about my cholesterol level because I'm entitled to unlimited free $75,000 CABG's), I have to ask the FR lefty liberals a question that came up from one of my neighbors: She asked why the lefty liberals (my term, not hers) are so retarded (her term, not mine) that they think more deficit spending that has proven itself ineffective so far, will now turn around and suddenly become "effective" if we just add more of it, She then asked (as a clinical psychologist) "Isn't the definition of insanity repeating the same activity over and over again and expecting a different result?"

FR lefty liberals??

The only people that can answer that legitimately, Joey are the righties, since it was the Cheney/ Bush administration that drove the train off the tracks with their favorite thing: hide things off budget and borrow and spend.

Newday - you beat me to it! My resonse to Joe is "Didn't you vote for Gidget and the Geezer?" NOW that was insanity personified. I mean seriously,...McCain wasn't half as smart as W who wasn't half as smart as Cheney - with all this 'half as' BS (pun intended),...It's a wonder Republicans bother getting up at all. But, boy howdy, that Sarah Palin is a looker,...let's vote with our half heads,...it can't be worse than____________— (fill in the blank). I see you a clinical psychologist and raise you some tax accountants, lawyers and graphic artists, Joe.

Your hate and use of childish name-calling normally make you look ignorant enough. But, calling "sharia" law Christian is beyond the pale. And, BTW, if you want to look like you're somebody who knows what they're talking about, the spelling is sharria.

Dirt:

Spelling of Arabic terms is in flux, since Arabic is a character-based alphabet, as opposed to a Latin alphabet. Transliteration is an imperfect art.

I think Eric's comment is a bit extreme but I wouldn't call it "beyond the pale". If the US replaced our laws with a Christian code it would be forcing the rules of one religion on the everyone. Also it would be giving ultimate authority to a centuries old book and taking away the ability of people to reason for themselves and make democratic decisions on governance. These are characteristics of sharria law so I think it is fair comparison.

Joe.

Perhaps Senator Frankin misunderstood, if it was ok for the dead beat red neck from SC to be disruptive and disrepsectful it should be ok for anyone else to be. Poor mitch, he is washed up, bedraggled, and just crazy - but he always has been. No way i'd apoligize to him for anything, after all I never got an apology for a drunk coke addict breathing the same air as I do much less living in the White House for 8 years.

I at least give credit for an apology, and trying to track him down and apologize in person as well. Most senators I can think of would simply have issued a statement.

no joe,

The unemployment rate is calculated today the same way it always has been, so spare us your "massaging the numbers" rant please.

Have a great weekend.

no joe,

Your really need to stop all this conspiracy theory stuff. Forever and a day numbers from the many government departments that have a required release dates (unemployment, GDP, etc) get updated. Why? It is because some of the data is not final and an estimated number is used. Sometimes the private sector companies required to report are late or the data is inaccurate or incomplete.

Second posting ... 1st under wrong author ... sorry

If Franken were a fall-down drunk, he'd be smarter than McConnell!!

Nashville Fan,

Nice post. Too bad the republicans keep yapping about NO jobs while they are voting down (with a minority yet) bills that are designed to create jobs, lower taxes on Small Business and create a forum to get loan money which will create jobs.

The crap the republicans are tying to sell on this board is getting pretty stale and starting to smell very ripe indeed. The same BS from the same people.The republicans created the problem, they are doing everything they can to put us back into the ditch so come November they can claim President Obama a failure.

I have to wonder if those across the aisle realize they are shooting themselves in the foot unless they are all in the top 2%. Those people (the richest 2%)are making out like bandits on the backs of the middle class and laughing all the way to the bank. The economic divide is at is greatest point since they started tracking it.

Eric,

I hear you. MSNBC pretty much sucks in the AM. They keep saying the Tax Cuts will pay for themeselves, create jobs etc. This WooDoo math did not work for Regan, nor Bush. Why would it work now??? This just gets craiser evey day with the same lies over and over and over.

Have a great day.

Jody, I think the only reason lincoln won is because of the cross over vote. I've said it before, it is time for the democrats to do to the repugnants what they have been doing to us for decades, it is time for us to cross over and vote in their primaries (you can do that in Tennessee - it is an open primary state), choose your own enemy.

I'm a native Pennsylvanian. Somewhere, I'm sure there's video or text of Pat Toomey espousing a Club for Growth position guaranteed to p!ss off the blue collar vote in PA. Toomey's gotta backpedal away from the Club For Growth like an all-pro cornerback! It seems that, with some oppo research, Toomey's ultimately gonna be in trouble!

Yea just wait..... Hoeven doesnt put up with the crap that happens in D.C.

Hoeven is a junior senator and 1% of the senate. He'll learn his place quickly!

and what "place" is that?

What Larry does not want anyone to know is that Hoeven was a Democrat, and switched parties when it became evident that he could only be elected as a right wing neanderthal. He has accomplished nothing in ND, no matter how Larry wants to posture about it, the accomplishments are from the Congressional Delegation. ND has lost the best friend it has by Dorgan deciding to retire. Hoeven will vote in Congress in his own self interests, which is what his history is. I don't have any concerns about him being in Congress, he will get eaten alive. ND is a Federal welfare state, and I challenge Larry to put his money where his mouth is and agree that ND should not accept any more Federal funding. That would also mean that Minot Air Force base should close. I am still awaiting Larry's post on Jefferson and his views on this being a Christian country.

Hey, Larry don't ask me what Hoeven's place'll be. That's Senator McConnell's decision. He'll vote "no" whenever he's told to!

DaNoid - it was meant to be 'light' & humorous - and obviously failed miserably! ;0)

My apologies...

Da Noid,

Actually it is a shame that Levi got involved with another female Palin IMHO. Poor boy had no idea what he was 'getting into'.

Never mind that it was the same one from the first time around. *sigh* You would've thought he'd have learned his lesson.

Da Noid, I lean towards agreeing with you, however, if Ms Sarah was a better Momma and set a better example for all her cherubs, it is quite possible Bristol would be a better judge of character and choose more wisely.

Ms Sarah is the perfect example of a rightwing extremist lecturing all who will listen to her as to how wonderful she and her ideas are.

In life we lead by example and we reap what we sow.

Da Noid... I beg to differ that Sarah isn't a direct influence in Bristol's adventures with Levi. You may recall Sarah allowed Levi to live in her house and share Bristol's bedroom, even before Bristol was pregnant. Considering Sarah's 'family values', it's sort of interesting this could have occurred when her own daughter was still a minor. Should we be surprised this ongoing little melodrama continues? It's very difficult for a young woman like Bristol to escape the trailer trash mentality of her mother, and I use the term 'mother' advisedly!

It looks to me like you proved the opposing view, not your own. Forgive me if I'm missing something.

Since this illegal was convicted of "several other" crimes, why wasn't he deported already? (You note giving priority to those that has committed "serious crimes").

Sean May be we should look at why with several convictions for drunk driving the gentleman was still being allowed to run around free. If we are going to look at why the federal government didn't enforce it's law then we also need to look at why the state didn't enforce theirs. Also I have seen no evidence that state officials ever brought the gentleman's immigration status up before the accident which would have facilitated deportation. Course old Kootch don't want any body to go there he just wants folks fixated on the shiny object he's holding up

Sean,

If you think that there is a system out there that won't miss a few here and there than you are delusional. Of course if you have a full proof solution by all means enlighten us. Sounds to me like there is a possibility that the state of Virginia could have done a better job but how does this translate to the President? Should the President file all of his paperwork and personally put his mail in the mail box?

Your argument is silly. Try again.

Dan, you lost me on your argument. But to try and answer your question, I don't have a fool-proof system. But if the focus is on illegals that have committed crimes, why didn't anyone look into it on his first conviction? I guess DUI isn't enough to mandate someone's attention.

Independent: In my state, as far as I know, penalties for drunk driving don't get severe until the third conviction (unless you're underage, then they throw the book at you with what amounts to a bill of attainder, but that's another topic). It takes 4 before you lose your license for more than a year. It takes 5 until they revoke it permanently.

I don't know how Virginia handles DUI/DWI/OUI convictions.

SeanDoonan (I-MA):

Since this illegal was convicted of "several other" crimes, why wasn't he deported already? (You note giving priority to those that has committed "serious crimes").

I know it's politically incorrect to mention G. W. Bush, but this guys convictions happened during his administration. And even if they weren't you're engaging in a logical fallacy along with Kooch that one incident somehow proves that Obama is refusing to enforce immigration laws. The fact that there are murders almost every day in most big cities doesn't "prove" that laws against homicides are not being enforced.

As I said, Obama has actually INCREASED enforcement of immigration laws well beyond what Bush had. I gave a link to the report that gives the facts and statistics, but evidently you didn't bother to read it.

Sean,

Allow me to simplify my argument. Short of the President doing all of the work on a Federal and State level, how do you expect every single illegal immigrant convicted of a crime to be apprehended and deported? it is a sad story but probably one of millions more. To think that things like this aren't going to happen anyway is absurd and childish. Responsibility for this situation would fall on the State more so than the Federal Government and any argument to the contrary is pure partisan garbage.

@Houston:

I'm not seeing the leap from talking about one case to criticizing the entire Obama immigration strategy (not that I don't, I think he's wrong in looking at amnesty as a viable option). My comments remain only about the case of this particular illegal.

@Dan:

You present an excellent point. We can only hope for a perfect world, but we know it won't happen.

As usual Joanna your comments are baseless, shallow, and lack any semblance of logic. I recall the last president constantly taking vacations and trips to the Texas ranch. Did this also put you out?

Bill,

While all your data appears to be accurate the comparison of the 1980 and 2008 recession isn’t exactly fair.

During Reagan our manufacturing base was, by far, much larger than it has been in the last several years. This also provided for a much larger export business.

His tax cuts allowed people to spend but today the tax cuts of 2001 took tax rates to below where they were during Reagan. The meager tax cuts in 2008 (Bush – Rebate) and 2009 & 2010 (Obama – Stimulus) couldn’t do enough and people could no longer use the home equity as an ATM.

Bill,

are you saying Carter left the Country in as deep a ravine as Bush did? Because the only way your growth numbers mean squat is if we're talking apples to apples, here - otherwise,...it's just another layer of data on the 'Baffle 'em with Bullsh!t' pie you keep serving up.

and since you never get my brand of snarkasm, this is meant to be funny while highlighting the emptiness of data rhetoric without context.

Dennis, G-d Bless you - apparently you picked up on the same point I was making; but handled it better. good on you!

DUI bush left two expensive wars going.

Umm.... Paul...

Look like it is I who struck the nerve... it's a character trait with the opposition - they believe that always having the last word somehow gives them credibility... :0)))

You see Paul... as a Proud Democrat I've witnessed how the game is played by the right... don't think for a second I'm going to sit back silently while they once again attempt to talk LOUDLY OVER people spreading their lies and fear mongering!

It's not to evident that the righties and 'you' don't like it being called out for one minute and to that I say TFB!

Like I said Paul... simmer away... lol And seriously do try to have a nice weekend!

Fiesty,

While I sit on hold with Delta planning my trip to Half Moon Bay and trying to get my Mother-in-law's ticket to watch the kids...............I have to respond.........I have to say that having a 14 year old daughter I don't have any more nerves, pretty much numb, so what you say doesn't bother me. I'm not saying this in a mean way, but you remind me of my Mother, reason being is that I grew up in a hard core Democratic family. Being born and raised in the Burbs of Detroit, I know how you think. By all means it's your right. You say you're a Proud Democrat-Fine. I'm not, I'm not even a Republican, you think I am, but I'm not. Here in Florida, I CAN'T vote in primaries because I'm a NPA. BOTH parties are messed up. I've voted Democrat and Republican. Right now I can't stand what the Democrats stand for. Obama is like a kid with a credit card, spend, spend, spend and blame the other guy. It's getting old and that's why Indepenents are bailing on Obama. Proof is in the polls.........

You haven't called me out, sources I posted are from niether Left or Right. Besides calling people lairs and other names, just post the facts to back up what you say. I've seen other posts to your remarks, some are fair other are not.

I will have a nice weekend and you have one too.................

Paul.. It appears Feisty Redhead has identified you clearly based on your posts. It's always interesting to see people who post to these threads who claim NOT to be Republicans when it's so obvious to the rest of us they are indeed "Republicans in Hiding". I can't say I blame you considering the bottom feeding lack of popularity of congressional GOP'ers, dipping ten percentage points below democrats in approval who aren't exactly in high regard themselves. I won't call you a liar, and don't know your mindset, but you're either so embarassed about what the party you usually support has done, or are in complete self-denial about the destruction you and your kin on the fair right have wrought on the country, or you're otherwise deluding yourself in your attempt to run from the truth as it exists. You are part of an epidemic that will ultimately run its course. The only question is when all the knuckledragging mouth breathers will fade into utter irrelevance. I do have one question through all this. Are we supposed grant you some credibility because you've made the claim you are planning a trip to Half Moon Bay, or that you're conversant with the name "Delta" or that you're going t fly your mother-in-law in to babysit your 14 yr. old daughter and whatever other kids you might have? Or are you just making an insincere attempt to create a perception that you are somehow at an elevated level of fiscal relevance? I don't think it's very difficult to conclude it's all of he above! Apparently you haven't the emotional or intellectual capacity to realize how transparent you are. (shrugging)

Gentle Hawk,

Well first of all I assume that you think I'm a "Republican in Hiding" is totally wrong. You probably base that on I don't like Obama's policies. If you been following the news only 38% of Independants agree on what Obama and the Democrats are doing. A far drop from 68% or so a year ago. I didn't like Obama while he was in the Senate and I don't like him now. So based on that, you probably think 1. I'm a Republican or 2. I'm a Racist. Yes, I say that because that's whats coming next from the Liberals. If you don't like Obama you're going to be called a Racist. It's starting to happen.

What is this "Truth" you're talking about? Really explain this to me? The truth that the Stimulus Plan would keep uneployment at 8%? That Taxes wouldn't go up? The HC Bill that over 60% people don't want, but yet shoved down our throats? Sueing a State for a Law that the Federal Government refuses to enforce? By the way that problem goes back to Ragan. Really Hawk, tell me and everyone here the truth!

Reason why I posted the comment about my trip is because I was on hold sitting on the back porch with my computer and want to see what was posted. If you look I posted VA information to help ALL VETs on another post about Steele. The comment was to Fiesty, probably thinking she probably understood based on her other posts, but it appears that it bothers and you wanted to comment on something you don't know about. But hey, post away.........but it does seem that it bothers you Should I be as miserable as you? (Smirking)

The percentage of people that do not like the HC bill plus the percentage of people that do not like the HC bill because """ the HC bill did not go far enough""" is much higher than fifty percent.

Mickey,

You had me at "vote incumbents out" and then you lost me at Vote for More Joe the Plumbers. I'm sorry but I refuse to throw my vote away on promoting stupidity and ineptitude. And yes, I do see the 'joke' in my post - but there really is something to the saying "...The devil you know...".

Fannie and Freddie have been in existence for decades!!

bush was in charge for 8 years before the BIG MESS started. bush could have vetoed the bills coming from congress.