Arizona appeals -- now what?

AP

Arizona Governor Jan Brewer


Arizona has now asked the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals for a fast-track review of its request to put a hold on this week's order by Judge Susan Bolton. Her ruling blocked the state from enforcing the most controversial parts of its new immigration law.

The first thing the appeals court will do is set a schedule for submitting written legal briefs and hearing oral argument. Arizona wants all that done by the week of Sept. 13. The Justice Department suggests a somewhat slower process with oral argument in mid-October. Either way would move this along at a faster pace than a normal case would proceed.

Quick action is needed, the state says, because Judge Bolton's order has blocked a law the legislature deemed "critical to address serious criminal, environmental and economic problems Arizona has been suffering as a consequence of illegal immigration and the lack of effective enforcement by the federal government." The Justice Department, however, argues that the only effect of the judge's order "is to preserve a status quo that has existed for a long period of time."

The appeal will be assigned to a panel made up of three judges, the usual first stop in a federal appellate court. There's no time limit for a ruling.

Whichever side loses then has a choice; It can either ask the full 9th Circuit Appeals Court to hear the case, or it can go directly to the Supreme Court. There are strategic reasons for getting the full court to weigh in first, but that will depend on what the panel says.

Arizona could have tried to do two things at this stage which it did not: It could have sought emergency review, which would have speeded things up even more, and it could have asked the appeals court for an immediate stay of Judge Bolton's ruling. Legal experts doubted the state would have succeeded with either request, and the state's lawyers apparently thought the same.

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Arizona's appealing? Not very!!

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Reply#57 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:08 PM EDT

The Hispanic population in Arizona, both legal, 'illegal' and visiting nationals, pumps in $29 billion annually to that state's economy.... well, at least they did until the white mullets launched a war on them to absolve themselves for running Arizona's economy into the ground.

Now, California, with an 'illegal' population of around 3 million, ends up paying around $10 billion annually for them. Arizona, who's immigrant population has been dwindling for 2 years now and who's illegal status stands around 480k, is (or was) taking in $29 billion, spending maybe around 3 to 4 billion annually on the illegals... so they are (or were) coming out on top at least $25 billion annually.

Is doesn't take a math genius to figure out those numbers.

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Reply#58 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:08 PM EDT

WHAT A TERRIBLE POINT! It shouldn't cost these states anything! Ga you're thought process is so skewd! All of that money lost has cost thousands of teachers their jobs but that's ok b/c the money made/earned by illegals in these states offsets the cost?! Yea, good job buddy!

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#58.1 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:27 PM EDT

A terrible point? Not only are they paying their own way, Arizona is profiting billions off them. So, it would seem that Arizona's financial problems lie elsewhere. Yes, it would be a terrible point if you were a Republican and didn't want anyone to see that careless, stupid conservative policies are the culprit, not the Hispanic community.

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#58.2 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:46 PM EDT

Railsback - You're obviously a math genius, so do the math on this.

In April, 2003, Michael Janofsky wrote an article entitled “Burden Grows for Southwest Hospitals.” Now this article was not published by a conservative media group, but by a very liberal newspaper you may be familiar with: The New York Times.

In his article, Janofsky explored the financial burden that hospitals in the Southwest — in Maricopa County, Arizona, to be specific — had been incurring due in large part to the flooding of U.S. emergency rooms by Mexican immigrants. One example he used was the story of Felipe Gomez, a 12-year-old resident of Sonora, Mexico, who was brought to Maricopa Medical Center after a tragic accident: burning ants with gasoline left him burned over 25 percent of his body. At the time the article was written, Felipe had incurred $55,000 in treatment and surgery in less than a month. Doctors projected that by the time he was released after having several other procedures to graft skin onto badly-burned areas of his body, the bill would total around $250,000.

The author went on to explain that this was just an example of the growing number of illegal immigrants coming to this country for medical treatment they could not get at home, but also could not pay for in the U.S. However, under federal law, hospitals are required to treat patients brought to their emergency rooms, no matter where they live. So you see, even in 2003, this was an issue that was beginning to impact hospitals: crowded emergency rooms, deficit budgets in hospitals and delays in equipment upgrades.

Other studies have suggested that the impact on state budgets from illegal immigration has created deficits that will take decades to be balanced. But this war on the survival of the health care system is not being fought only in border state hospitals. If you look at cities like New York, Los Angeles and Chicago, a significant proportion of the uninsured being treated are part of the illegal immigration wave. As recently as 2009, one hospital in Las Vegas reported funding dialysis for 80 illegal immigrants at a cost of $2 million a month. Doctors at hospitals that are footing the bill for these kinds of treatments have expressed their concern over being financially strained by following the law to treat those who are breaking it.

In 2000, the American Hospital Association estimated that the 24 southernmost counties in the United States — from Texas to California — accumulated $832 million in unpaid medical care, with a quarter of that amount being directly attributed to illegal immigrants.

And I was recently denied an MRI (requested by my doctor) from my so called "Cadillac Health Care Plan" that I pay over 400 dollars a month for. If I was Illegal with no insurance, the hospital would have been required to give me the MRI.

Now tell me what's wrong with this picture?

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#58.3 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:48 PM EDT

what turnip truck did you fall off of!!! go to cis.org and you will find out the real cost of what the illegals are costing us both in terms of money and social issues especially our young people

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#58.4 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:50 PM EDT

since we dont have to spend that much then it okay to illegally enter the USA?! what a dope

    #58.5 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:51 PM EDT

    If you have a spanish last name in Texas then your child can go to pre-k for free. The rest of us pay 500.00 a month. Allanna I agree what turnip truck did they fall off of???? Most of the money that the ILLEGALS make well how do I put this..... THEY SEND IT BACK TO MEXICO" Yea they pay taxes at the store on things. They may even pay taxes on thier homes. But ILLEGAL is still breaking THE LAW.....

      #58.6 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:26 PM EDT

      Yep, math certainly isn't in a mullet's vocabulary.

        #58.7 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:37 PM EDT

        rails, i will vote on sub-zero IQ as it applies to you.. will that help?

          #58.8 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 3:33 AM EDT
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          I say a mine field along our southern border would help stop illegal entry.

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          Reply#59 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:09 PM EDT

          RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!

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          #59.1 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:19 PM EDT
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          Can someone tell me why they just can't require that EVERY citizen provide proof of citizenship when pulled over or otherwise breaking another law?  Across the board, no exceptions.  The constitution would give two turds about such a policy.  What would the guilty minded scoff laws do then!?

            Reply#60 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:14 PM EDT

            It's nice to see that you all think your use of big words and great punctuation shed light on the subject but you're all wrong. There is no other way to look at this topic other than right and wrong; and don't give me that BS about "the law is not that simple"! Sure it is, if I run a red light I stand a chance of getting a ticket, it doesn't matter if I'm late for a meeting or a business deal, I still broke the law and have to held accountable. Why are illegals any different? So what if you have a kid that was born here, they should be sent back with you!

            All this Crap about racial profiling is also nonsense! Who cares if it's racial profiling! I am Mexican-American, pay taxes and have lived here my whole life; if I'm pulled over by a police officer and asked for my ID THEN SO BE IT!!! It's MEXICANS that are the problem in Arizona, you 've got to find them some how so profile, it's fine with me!!! That is a small price to pay for the freedoms I am afforded! Even if I were detained b/c I couldn't prove my status then FINE, that's the price I pay for not being properly prepared! Stop all of the "this is racist" BS, the illegals, no matter what race they are, NEED TO GO!

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            Reply#61 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:18 PM EDT

            You don't think those freedoms are eroding if you're profiled?

              #61.1 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:40 PM EDT

              Amen Jtez!!

                #61.2 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:52 PM EDT

                profiling is not a part of the law

                  #61.3 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:03 PM EDT
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                  There is behavior that is illegal and there is illegal behavior that becomes acceptable to a society when those laws created to enforce the illgeal behavior are not enforced.

                  If you don't like illegal immigrants crossing the border and the consequences are arrest and deportation, yet thousands of illegal immigrants are allowed to cross the border and to work in the U.S. wiithout facing the consequences, what is the message? If you don't like U.S. employers hiring illegal immmigrants and if they do the consequences are fines and perhaps even jail time, yet hundreds of employers are allowed to hire illegal immigrants without facing the consequences, what is the message? That the behavior is not desired and will be punished, or that the behavior will be ignored with no consequences and therefore in the illegal immigrants mind and the employers mind, their behavior is acceptable?

                  Those who argue now that the illegals broke the law and should be punished and that employers hiring illegals broke the law and they should be punished, are suggesting that we hold these people responsible to the point of severe punishment for behavior that we ignored and accepted for years.

                  Some want to punish the illegal immigrants and the U.S. employers, but is there not really three guilty parties here. The illegal immigrants, those U.S. employers who hired illegal immigrants and the U.S. government for not enforcing the laws of the country and thereby accepting the behavior of the first two? Does the behavior of the U.S. government therefore negate the behavior of the first two, or should there also be some consequences or punishment for the U.S. government as well for being a guilty party to the situaion we now face, and what should that punishment be? And who should be punished? Is the U.S. government not the people of the U.S.?

                  Just some thoughts.

                    Reply#62 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:23 PM EDT

                    I see your point but that's what I call "cleaning house"! You've got to start somewhere and stopping the bleeding should be first and foremost. Get all of the illegals out of here and then hold the employers responsible or do them both at the same time but businesses are NEVER "allowed" to hire illegals. WalMart got into tons of trouble for this, it's NOT allowed.

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                    #62.1 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:31 PM EDT

                    Jtez:

                    I made the comment to point out why this is such a difficult issue right now for many and why there is some hard feelings coming from both sides. If a person lowers the boom on someone for behavior that was ignored for years, that person having the boom lowered on them just might be a bit puzzled as to why now you have decided to take action.

                    As for getting all the illegals out of here, 20+ million of them spread across every State in the Union, it is logistically and strategically impossible. So you might want to come up with a more reasonable solution as what to do with these millions of illegals already in the U.S. Enforcing better border security and nailing employers who hire illegal immigrants are two steps that could begin immediately.

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                    #62.2 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:47 PM EDT

                    "As for getting all the illegals out of here, 20+ million of them spread across every State in the Union, it is logistically and strategically impossible."

                    Another falsehood, nobody is saying they have to all be deported overnight, it is entirely reasonable to assume they could be deported over a period of a few years and everyone knows it.

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                    #62.3 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:59 PM EDT

                    I am assuming w bush as I know you would not want to be discrimnatory that you are speaking of every type and kind of illegal immigrant in the U.S. no matter where they came from. If that is the case could you please let us all know the exact manner in which you intend to idenitfy, locate, capture and subsequently deport all these illegals.

                      #62.4 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:05 PM EDT

                      CA,

                      By far, the best comment from the liberal view made on this issue. (No implied slight or marginalization)

                      You are probably expecting a blindside now, based on my previous replies. But, my only response would be that I would like to see the flow stopped at the border before we are faced with more of the dilemma you articulated.

                      I have read that the administration has adopted a somewhat new approach to the employer issue. Instead of raiding the buisness, the administration is sending in an auditor to inspect their employee rolls. Illegals are in effect fired and the companies are fined and in some cases severely punished. It saves on resources and effectively shuts down the employer issue with those effected companies.

                      What is troubling to me, although the illegals are not arrested, they are in effect now in limbo without a job, or any prospect due to that enforcement and the revelation of their identification and the effect on other employers. Tough situation. Anyway.

                      Good point and thanks for your comments CA.

                        #62.5 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:13 PM EDT

                        Do you not think it would be a better idea to secure our boarders and fine employers first, then start the deportation of these people? That way you would lessen the chances of them finding their way back into this country illegally.

                          #62.6 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:16 PM EDT

                          CA, your comments sound as ignorant as the fed saying they can't secure that border. Yet, they're over in Afghanistan trying to secure a border! BS. Drones, mines, armed soldiers, finishing the fence is where you start. Then, you go after every employer who hires them. Make the penalties SEVERE just like in drug seizures; you take their assets.

                          You require all employers to use e-verify. Why don't we have an electronic national ID card instead of a paper social security card? And, if we have that card, it should have a retina scan and/or fingerprint imbedded in it to stop the identity theft. The illegals would be unemployable if just that little bit was done.

                          Once these things are done, there will be a whole lot of them left here to deport because they will self-deport when the govt shows they're serious about enforcing our laws. The American people are fed up with supporting the ILLEGALS, and the topic has gotten red hot and only stands to get hotter. I do NOT condone violence but I'm afraid that's what's coming, especially when you see scenes like yesterday where the protestors were taunting law enforcement, holding up their Mexican flags and screaming about their "rights". Sorry, they have no rights; they're not citizens. Period.

                            #62.7 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:21 PM EDT

                            "CA, Tuscaloosa, AL

                            I am assuming w bush as I know you would not want to be discrimnatory that you are speaking of every type and kind of illegal immigrant in the U.S. no matter where they came from. If that is the case could you please let us all know the exact manner in which you intend to idenitfy, locate, capture and subsequently deport all these illegals."

                            Everyone has a birth certificate, when people apply for a job, drivers license, welfare, medical treatment, whatever, require everyone to carry a copy, if the police stop you require them to look at it also, everyone, no discrimination, or have a national I.D. card, it really is not near as complex an issue as some would like it to be, the fact is all the people whining about discrimination, racism, bigitory just plain don't want the illegals identified so why don't they just say that instead of trying to justify something that is unjustifiable, they aren't fooling anyone.

                              #62.8 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:35 PM EDT

                              Well dirt, I imagine some of those folks holding up flags were citizens or approved legal residents who do have some rights. Not all were illegal immigrants. Be assured that when and if further protests occur there will be Hispanic U.S. citizens as well as Hispanic's approved to be in the country legally in those crowds. So when you see such protests on TV yon't assume that all those folks are lillegal mexican flag waving immigrants who have no rights.

                              To do what you state would require that the majority of Amercians agree to a National ID card with a retina scan or fingerprint. Many Amercians, even some supporting the Arizona Law, are against National ID cards. And, this would require that every employer secure a retina or fingerprint scanning machine to check the Card aganist forged cards. We have already heard from some who are very familiar with E-Verify that the system is not perfect and also misses illegals from time to time.

                              I understand the frustration of those who are tired of supporting illegals, and I am not oposed to tight border security and strongly enforced illegal immigration laws. All I am saying is that tracking down, identifying, capturing and deporting, or forcing by way of no employment, illegal immigrants is going to be a nightmare if not an impossible nightmare.

                                #62.9 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:46 PM EDT

                                w bush:

                                No, not everyone has a birth certifcate. There are thousands of elderly Amercians who do not have birth certificates. Many were born with the assistance of mid-wives, some in the bedroom of their mother's country home without a doctor present. There are thousands of other Americans who do not have birth certificates because they los tthem or their parents lost them, and who are unable to get an official birth certificate from their birthing hospital or county courthouse because records have been destroyed via fires, demolition of old hospitals and government buoldings, etc. Not that simple w bush.

                                I'm discussing here w bush, not whining, so get off your high horse. I am not opposed to enforcing the immigration laws but folks like you don't have a clue just how difficult it would be identifying, locating and removing every single illegal immigrant in this country.

                                  #62.10 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:54 PM EDT
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                                  Does this mean that DOJ is now going to go after sanctuary cities since they are going against federal law? Right, can't pander to the Hispanic vote that way.

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                                  Reply#63 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:24 PM EDT

                                  You either are for illegal immigration, or you are against it. If you are against it, then the only answer is to deport illegal immigrants. We can't deport them all, I don't think, but we need to deport a sufficient number so the folks South of the Border get the message that you can't come to the US and expect to stay. If we let them come and stay, only more will come.

                                  Why should the US have two systems of immigration? One for people who arrive by plane or boat, and another for people who can sneak in over a land border?

                                    Reply#64 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:28 PM EDT

                                    Hey davey - a simplistic racist rationalization from a simplistic Reichwing fool! Better to round up and deport all of you America hating tea bagging prancing pansies and keep the illegal Mexican immigrants, atleast they work hard for what little they earn. All you do is sit around on your fat behind whining the racist whining points you hear at the Fox Noose channel - the official propaganada channel of the Neo-Nazi White Supremacist KKK John Birch Birther scum like you!

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                                    #64.1 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:49 PM EDT

                                    Eric, put down the LaRaza literature and stop the nazi and racist name calling. It makes you look less intelligent than you really are. Illegal is Illegal Eric. Now you can't really argue that point, can you? There is a system in place to come here legally , and yes, I understand that it is a long process, but if you really wanted to be a US citizen, you can. In the USA, we have laws. Now if I can't trust you to come here legally, then why whould I let you in in the first place? That is not racist, and I am not a Nazi, just a proud US citizen who is sick and tired of illegals thinking that they have the same rights as US citizens. I do not have the same rights as them being Mexican/Russian/Chinese/German/ect... citizens do I??

                                      #64.2 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:12 PM EDT
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                                      How's that Neo-Nazi border patrol going. We don't hear much from them....

                                        Reply#65 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:29 PM EDT

                                        Right?? We shouldnt have borders should we? The USA can support everyone in the world right?? Free education, food, money for all!!

                                          #65.1 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:13 PM EDT
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                                          Just an observation----the illegals have been coming into this country for years-------those in favor of the AZ law, where was your outrage then? Where was your outrage during the Bush (Father and son) years? Silence was your tolerance of the fact that these illelgal people were doing your yard work, your cleaning, being your nannies, and working the jobs you won't work!

                                          That is the true heart of this, your outrage is fake! Otherwise this issue would have been dealt with many years ago!

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                                          Reply#66 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:30 PM EDT

                                          I think the law's all about politics and embarrasing President Obama!

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                                          #66.1 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:34 PM EDT
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                                          An easy solution would be to grant amnesty and US citizenship to all illegals currently living in Arizona. Then the police would not have to ask them about that. the good folks in Arizona would be happy because they would no longer have to worry about whether or not their neighbors were citizens. Everyone wins!

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                                          Reply#67 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:33 PM EDT

                                          congrats bob!! you have officially won the "scariest post of the day"! you win a lifetime membership to the LaRaza organization. Viva BOB!!

                                            #67.1 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:25 PM EDT
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                                            No surprise that Sieg Heil Jan Brewer wants a rush to judgment so she can enforce her facist racist profiling law to make arizona only for people with the White Stuff. I'm still laughing that Judge Susan Bolton was recommended by arizona's other flaky Reichwing senator John Kyller Kyl to President Clinton who followed his advice. Bet Kyller Kyl was the most surprised by her just ruling gutting the racist elements from the law by citing the Constitution giving the federal government supremacy and esxclusivity on the immigration issue and it's enforcement.

                                            Sure loved how Democrat Anthony Weiner went off on the House repugnant ones who are trying to kill our sick 9/11 responders because they view the health program for sick 9/11 responders as just another entitlement program. What's next on the repugnant one's hit list for killing entitlement programs? Social Security, Medicare, military retirees retirement pay or the entitlement program for us disabled vets? All of them You Betcha!

                                            About time for more timid Democrats to have the guts of Anthony Weiner, Alan Grayson, Barbara Boxer or Nancy Perlosi to stand up to the Great Right Liars and expose them for what they are, America haters who are too cheap to pay for anything except for more weapons to kill more nonwhites especially if they're Muslims. About time that Obama and Harry Reid grow spines because their weak leadership is what has dogged Democrats from getting what needs to be done done.

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                                            Reply#68 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:45 PM EDT

                                            Exactly!! Like enforcing the borders!!

                                              #68.1 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:27 PM EDT
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                                              Where's the story about the immigration service memo suggesting ways to give all illegals amnesty without going through the legislative process ???????

                                                Reply#69 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:47 PM EDT

                                                well , God never stated that European immigrants where the only immigrants authorized to live on this land, if someone has the right to say something about ilegal immigration is the Native Americans not the european immigrantsor other legal immigrants(blonde blue eyed people or mexican/americans). I believe the US "white" race feels that other cultures are invaiding the US and are really scared now because they have a "black " president. How humilliating for the "Ku Klux Klan". Any way, no one knows how it feels but the ones going through humilliation .... true??? Besides it this wasn't a "hate" problem it would not be a problem... Right? "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" Mattew 7:12 I do not why the US lawfull people keep worrying about it when we die we are all going to the same spot. Well maybe the meanest ones will go to hell. God Bless All America....... not just North ..ok???

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                                                Reply#70 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:50 PM EDT

                                                I love the God stuff Jesus, but get a grip on YOUR Racism please!!

                                                  #70.1 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:31 PM EDT

                                                  Jesus helps: I think I so agree. And JayBone Jesus helps Racist comments are right on target - only because they are true.

                                                  We all know that most Republicans are closet racists. Your ancestors were probably part of the KKK. Would never admit racism exists anywhere in your party would you? So I guess you just don't hear what is said on Fox News or said at Tea Party rallies or see what is on those signs at the rallies.

                                                  So Jesus helps - you are spot on and don't let anyone tell you different!

                                                    #70.2 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:57 PM EDT

                                                    uh maxi?? i am an african american? i doubt my ancestors where part of the KKK? no, i am pretty sure they weren't? "we all know"? yep everyone in the entire country knows that republicans are closet racists? what a complete joke! jesus helps stated "I believe the US "white" race feels that other cultures are invaiding the US and are really scared now because they have a "black " president" now that is as racist as it gets!!? and by the way, illegal is illegal

                                                      #70.3 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:36 PM EDT

                                                      by the way, I am not racist. I try to love all the people, meaning the ones who hate me. People just keep worrying a lot for a land that is going to be destroyed because of their own hate. Humans in US illegal or not pay taxes , pay daycare, pay medical bills. Some might skip their responsibilities but not only Illegal immigrants , please open your eyes!!!! is not all about illegal immigration. There are people out there killing others, selling drugs to little kids, and most of them are not illegal immigrants(note: I am not saying they are not, there are some rotten apples!!) some are US citizens and residents ... is that not breaking the law???. I know people that are legal immigrants and they abuse the US system...they just sit there scratching their belly because they don't want to wash dishes at a restaurant..of course they are getting unemployment..I also know some "legal" people that don't mind drinking and driving...they have a license, residence or citizenship ..they can't be deported. Some of the "illegals" if that's how you want to call them try to be better citizens and respect more the laws than some of you commenting here. People literally die to live in North America crossing the borders... ooo but some say they committed a crime for crossing the border..they were seeking their own death. Italian-American immigrants, European-American immigrants, African-American immigrants, Mexican-American immigrants, etc, etc, etc....everyone that is not Native American does not belong to this land, so please US deport us all!!!!!!!!!!!!! "Heaven and earth will pass away but my words will never pass away" Matthew 24:35 Isaiah 65:17, “Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind" Isaiah 75:17...I am so glad this will get to an end someday. God Bless the troubled hearts!

                                                        #70.4 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 12:07 PM EDT

                                                        There are laws regarding most of those things you mentioned, What is your point?

                                                        "ooo but some say they committed a crime for crossing the border.."

                                                        Yes, that would be the federal government & federal immigration laws.

                                                          #70.5 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 1:00 PM EDT
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                                                          well , God never stated that European immigrants where the only immigrants authorized to live on this land, if someone has the right to say something about illegal immigration are the Native Americans not the European immigrants or other legal immigrants(Blondie blue eyed people or Mexican/Americans). I believe the US "white" race feels that other cultures are invading the US and are really scared now because they have a "black " president. How humiliating for the "Ku Klux Klan". Anyway, no one knows how it feels but the ones going through it .... true??? Besides it this wasn't a "hate" problem it would not be a problem... Right? "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" Matthew 7:12 I do not know why the US lawfully people keep worrying about it when we die we are all going to the same spot. Well maybe the meanest ones will go to hell. God Bless All America....... not just North ..OK???

                                                            Reply#71 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:56 PM EDT

                                                            Maybe we need Jan Brewer as President.

                                                              Reply#72 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:57 PM EDT

                                                              since some are touching on the cost of illegals in the US, who is going to pick up the tab to send them all home? If AZ wants to trump federal law, I would assume they will not mind paying from the return of these folks to their home.

                                                                Reply#73 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:03 PM EDT

                                                                the arguement of cost is a valid one, but certainly not valid for breaking the law!?

                                                                  #73.1 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:32 PM EDT

                                                                  Where is home?????? They have no documentatino and can produce nothing that establishes where home really is. It's a catch 22, we put them in holding facilities and we have to provide them with two hots and a cot. Why not create a detention facility in say Northern Alaska or Greenland where they can be detained until they are able to produce documentation as to what country they really belong to and then bill that country for their incarceration and associated costs when we send them back to "THEIR COUNTRY".

                                                                    #73.2 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:05 AM EDT
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                                                                    If the Republicans spin the immigration issue against the Dems it could hurt come November, only thing is the Republicans like illegal immigration as much if not more than Dems only for different reasons, what a sad state this country is in and I don't see it improving.

                                                                      Reply#74 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:05 PM EDT

                                                                      Lots and lots of cheap labor for big BIG companies and businesses.

                                                                        #74.1 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:18 PM EDT
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                                                                        The entire rationale for the AZ law is the evil lie that the Obama administration is not enforcing immigration laws when it's actually doing more than the Bush admin. did. And AZ Governor Jan Brewer is one of the evil liars telling that lie. There are too many other Republican liars to mention all their names. Like the demons from Hell, their name is Legion.

                                                                          Reply#75 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:15 PM EDT

                                                                          obama is being forced to step up the deportment of illegals because they are crossing our borders in the thousands, if he does not do something it will grow from 20 to 40 million in the next few years. Lets see he deported 32,000 out of 241,000 this year that was picked up, why wasn't the other 209,000 deported. They go to the businesses looks at the books, figures out who is illegal, fires them, then send them back out into the street and become someone else's problem. Then we have to re spend the money to hunt them from the next job. Oh, he is doing a real bang up job, maybe we ought to give him another nobel prize that he doesn't deserve. He encourages the federal immigration dept. who only enforce the laws that he likes and abetting these criminals by offering them free goodies to come here in droves.

                                                                            #75.1 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:31 PM EDT
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                                                                            What happens now?

                                                                            1. Countless appeals will make rich lawyers richer.

                                                                            2. A lot of average people with nothing to say will get their faces on camera.

                                                                            3. Some illegals will run to other states. (The other 49 states say, "Thanks a lot.")

                                                                            4. Some illegals will stay in AZ.

                                                                            5. A few but not enough illegals will go back to Mexico or wherever they came from, just not those with a minivan full of kids or those who are criminals and fled because they fully intend for the rest of their unnatural lives to live large committing crimes against the U.S. and Americans.

                                                                            6. U.S. citizens will continue to despise the govt., lobbyist, business special interests and Chamber of Commerce who brought these people here over the past 50 years, creating this mess to being with, and doing everything in their power to protect all illegals and guarantee most stay put - once again giving the middle finger to laws on the books, as well as vanishing concepts such as ethics, fairness and decency.

                                                                            7. Many citizens who can finally sell homes in an extended double dip failed housing and job economy will move to states with the fewest illegal immigrants.

                                                                            8. Illegal immigrants will promptly follow them, which will be the death knell for the handful of places in the U.S. where one can peacefully live, speak English and still interact with actual Americans.

                                                                            9. The U.S. will sink further into crime, violence and separatism, and then finally go broke supporting 20 million+ people who add nothing to the knowledge economy and success of the country, other than cheap grapes and slaughterhouse labor (which is another damn fine reason to go vegetarian).

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                                                                            Reply#76 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:17 PM EDT

                                                                            The threatening episodes of California’s Raul Grijalva, a vocal antagonist of his state's controversial immigration law or U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton receiving abusive accusations is making the illegal alien invasion far worse. Americans do not tolerate any kind of this verbal disgusting behavior, as everybody has a right to free speech, to protest or otherwise express a belief. When Americans, legal residents or even non-citizens are unable to voice their arguments and speak-up on any issue, then our representative democracy is dead? That is why America is one of the greatest nations on earth, unlike totalitarianism countries like Iran? Essentially human rights are strictly depressed, by the water cannon or gun in many countries of the world. We must protect our right to free speech and safeguard every element of the US constitution and the bill of rights. That's why I have my view everyday about the illegal alien occupation, unlike the censorship when it comes to the biased opinion of the Liberal press.

                                                                            Today, I heard that US U.S. Sen. Grassley other Senators again asking the administration if plans are underway for large-scale de facto amnesty. Here is an excerpt from the letter.
                                                                            7/27/2010

                                                                            Dear Secretary Napolitano:

                                                                            We remained concerned about potential plans for a large-scale effort to offer parole or to defer action on undocumented aliens in the United States. We realize that deferred action and parole are discretionary actions reserved for individual cases that present unusual, emergent or humanitarian circumstances. However, we do not believe that such actions should be used for a large population of illegal aliens or used to bypass Congress and the legislative process.

                                                                            News articles report that your department has denied the charge, stating that grants of parole or deferred removal are based on the merits of individual cases. While we have not personally been assured that plans have not been drawn up, we are interested in data that will guarantee the American people that the Administration is not using these discretionary actions in cases that are not urgent or based on humanitarian reasons.

                                                                            To me this is a very dangerous precedence and will certainly alienate the very government who swore allegiance en-mass of the American people to defend us. This administration will be seen as an enemy of “THE PEOPLE” if such a—executive order—undermining the Congress an ultimate outrage of “The Rule of Law.” If what Sen. Grassley surmises could be true, all of us are in series trouble. This would be a slap in the face of privileged legal immigrants, who have waited patiently for years. For our wilting Social Security in the future.

                                                                            Without the inception of the internet, we would never know of Arizona's financial hardship, an interoffice memo of a de facto AMNESTY. This abomination caused by the unceasing inroads of people slipping past the US border Patrol. National Newspapers have become the dark domain of Liberal articles and commentary, which is not feeding the whole story of the hardships, caused by the large neighborhoods of illegal immigrants. The criminal activities are specifically suppressed; because the truth is Liberal open border crowd doesn't want the truth to be known. Even if a De Facto—AMNESTY—was initiated, would the REAL DOUBLE FENCE BE BUILT, WOULD THE MILLIONS STOP TRYING SLIP INTO OUR NATION? Only the World Wide Web offers news articles that although not always known to be true, usually are?

                                                                            The road massacres of illegal alien driver’s unable read warning signs specially when intoxicated have taken the lives of whole families from the tip of California to Northern point of New England. Thousands of these drivers flee never to be seen again across the wide-open sections of the border fence. Amongst the teeming numbers of illegal aliens still coming, are the hidden criminals with long records of crime in their own countries, throughout the world. Each day the unsecure border are masses of people waiting for the lone US agent to pass, so they can slink through the barbed wire areas, bringing drugs, contagious diseases and even terrorism? The border has only become a real stigma, since the prior President Clinton signed the NAFTA law into place, and hundreds of small farmers were displaced by the giant American agricultural consortiums. Unable to no longer feed their families whole townships have disappeared heading north looking for work. But in this time of job displacement with millions of Americans looking for a meal, we must be committed to our own charities first.

                                                                            This country is never been without sympathy, but FAIRS analysis of illegal aliens draining $113 billion dollars a year from public money reservoirs, so we must demand that our countryman comes first. It is a growing sore that the border state of Arizona by mandated law must give health care, education and for many illegal foreigners incarceration. And these laws are forced upon all taxpayers and never reimbursed accordingly by Washington. The only defense innocent Americans have against this apathy was for Governor Jan Brewer to sign into law SB 1070, so they can start removing--ALL--foreign nationals from the state. The conflict now that is absurd is the federal government, suing its own people. This is will be a huge cross to bear for the Obama presidency, the Democratic leadership in this November.

                                                                            It seems he has surrendered to the open border lobbyists and turned a deaf ear to the US taxpayers, who must continuously furnish money for welfare programs for foreign nationals. A large chunk of this money is extorted under the 14th amendment that has resurfaced as ethically wrong. No illegal family should be allowed to have immediate citizenship for their infant, specifically if this was an intentional purpose to collect welfare benefits, low income housing, food stamps and other needs.

                                                                            WE AS THE VOTERS OF AMERICA CAN DO THIS, RIDDING OURSELVES OF SENATORS LIKE REID, McCAIN, PELOSI, SCHUMER, GRAHAM, FEINSTEIN PUSHING FOR AMNESTY AND THE DREAM ACT. WHAT WE SHOULD DEMAND FROM THE LEGISLATORS IS IMMEDIATE REVITALIZATION OF THE “SAVE ACT & CLEAR ACT.” ALL INCUMBENTS NEED TO JOIN THE JOBLESS. NO OPTIONS! LET’S REMOVE THE CORRUPTED TRASH. FIND FACTS AT NUMBERSUSA & GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION AT JUDICIAL WATCH. Bombard the Washington switchboard at 202-224-3121 WATCH--FOR--ILLEGALS--VOTING--IN--FUTURE--ELECTIONS.

                                                                              Reply#77 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:20 PM EDT

                                                                              What will happen? Nothing.

                                                                              The pols will spend money they don't have. The thing will plod into appeal. he feds will win again.

                                                                                Reply#78 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:23 PM EDT

                                                                                Please take a minute and read this article. Why isn't this money be taxed before it leaves the country and why are the banks getting away with such shady practices. The one article below (link 16.6 billion) looks like it was publised in 2005, and the MEXICO City (June 1,2010) being the most recent.

                                                                                MEXICO CITY (June 1, 2010)--The amount of money Mexicans living abroad sent home increased slightly in April for the first time in 17 months the Bank of Mexico says.The bank says remittances for the month (of May) reached $1.8 million, less than a 1 percent increase over April 2009.

                                                                                (My Thought: A lot of untaxed dollars leaving the US. Taxing this money could make up for all the healthcare and social services being stolen from illegals.)

                                                                                In February I reported on the record $16.6 billion sent back to Mexico from immigrants here in the U.S., a 24% increase from 2003. The latest estimates show that this year those "remittances" as they call them, are expected to top Mexico's oil industry as the number one form of revenue for the country. This is all being fascilitated by bank in the United States that refuse to enforce laws on the books regarding reporting criminal and illegal transactions and instead would sell out our country for a dollar.

                                                                                Let's think how to capitalize on the loop hole and at least make some money off the dollars that are leaving the US.

                                                                                  Reply#79 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:24 PM EDT

                                                                                  The Governor has to keep it in the news she has to have the votes it is stirring up.

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                                                                                  Reply#80 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:26 PM EDT

                                                                                  The Justice Department, however, argues that the only effect of the judge's order "is to preserve a status quo that has existed for a long period of time."

                                                                                  This quote from the Justice Department, Speaks volumes

                                                                                    Reply#81 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:37 PM EDT
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