The New York Times: "After a meeting of Senate Democrats, party leaders on Thursday said they had abandoned hope of passing a comprehensive energy bill this summer and would pursue a more limited measure focused primarily on responding the Gulf oil spill and including some tightening of energy efficiency standards."
Majority Leader Harry Reid lamented a lack of Republican support: “We don’t have a single Republican to work with us. ... We know where we are. We don’t have the votes.”


Of course there is no repugnant support - they all own stock in the oil industry!
What a shame, I had budget for my utility costs to "necessarily sky-rocket."
.....and I guarantee you there are just as many QUIET Democrats with just as much stock in the industry. They are all rich too and I'm quite sure they have their money invested in the industry that will yield the best return. If they don't; they are fools.
It's just a shame that the Republicans puts themselves first and country second. They always say we shouldn't put the burden on our future generations.
But everything they are voting against is for our future generations.
If the Republicans would work with the Democrats on passing the most important bills and get them into law then we could start working on making the future better.
Everyone knows that it takes 10 to 15 years to get things up and running for good.
I just hope and pray that we can work together because I would like my grandchildren and everyone's grandchildren to see what we did just for them so they could have a better life.
Well said. It is short-sighted thinking which works for today but fails for the future.
"It's just a shame that the Republicans puts themselves first and country second."
That's the same thing republicans say about the democrats, isn't it?There are reasonable republicans and unreasonable democrats. There are reasonable democrats and unreasonable republicans. There are crazy republicans and there are crazy democrats too. Demonizing the opposition on either side is a fatal impediment to eventually finding common ground. The president was elected on that very premise, and that was one of the main reasons why I voted for him.
Yakov Smirnoff was right..."What a country!"...:)
All I see here is Harry Reid playing politics leading up to the elections. Abandon work, propose no legislation and blame it on Republicans..
And don't think the President, who SHOULD be pushing energy legislation, will do any different. It's campaign mode from here on out through November.
With a little luck, we can watch the Democrats go into obstruction mode in late January, 2011.
And the real silver lining is that the Republicans have won (which is really what's important) on this issue without even having a vote. Campaign talking point: "Harry Reid gave up on important energy legislation to save his Senate seat."
dangerfield:
Boy you are correct in your comments above.
But let me just add that it seems, I said seems, that at this partiicular time in our govenment's history there are a few more unreasonable republicans. I don't care if based on solid study to get a handle on the details and sincere principles if a Dem or a Republican supports or does not support a particular Bill or legislative proposal no matter which side initiates the same. But I will be disappointed and call out, if found to be a pattern, that any of these same Dems and/or Republicans simply vote YES or NO just to go along with party lines, or because they do not want to be called on the carpet and ridiculed by Rush Limbaugh or Keith Olbermann.
CA,
I agree. I believe I have seen you post before that it was in the republicans interest to be "unreasonable" right now, as politically it is to their temporary advantage. If they win anything in November, the republicans will be frying on the same skillet as the democrats and it will be interesting to see what the playbook will be then.
Even scarier than your scenario is that some may vote in a particular way to be GUESTS on one of those entertainment programs.
dangerfield and Ca,
Both of you have pointed out the crux of the problem, and that is the seemingly mindless behavior exhibited by most (not all) of our elected officials. If there's ever a need for the rational members of congress and the senate to step forward, now's the time. We elected them to represent us, not the national party to which they belong, and as an elected official of (for the sake of argument) California, Senators Boxer and Feinstein need to vote on behalf of the citizens of California, not on behalf of the party. Before I get pilloried, I'm using Boxer and Feinstein as an example, not as an object to be ridiculed. I've said this many times, and I'll say it again, "Bi-partisan legislation doesn't consist of 62 affirmative votes, 59 of which are from one party, and three from the other. It's legislation that is equally admired by both parties for roughly 50% of the aye votes, and disliked by both parties that vote nay, again in a roughly 50/50 split along party lines." That leaves us with a centerist piece of legislation, that most will accept, and very few will actually abhor.
Right now, if it looks like it's a Democratic piece of legislation, virtually every Republican will vote against it, regardless of the merit of the legislation. In four month, it may very well be that the shoe is on the other foot. If that's the case, then the lesson for the Republicans to have learned in the last two years, is that when you're back in power, extend an honest hand to the minority party, and solicit their input on legislation so that it becomes bi-partisan, rather than turn your back on them and say "we won".
Sorry to interupt, your conversation interested me.
Harry Reid is not the only one tired of the GOP party of BP. They can all stop the leak in that right wing party if they dump all of themselves in the Gulf oil well, Tea baggers included. Then and only then will we get progress towards climate.
But having 60 votes in the senate, the real issue is...
Democrats divided on energy bill
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/40018.html
Democrats Divided on Energy Bill
Senators Wrestle With Competing Proposals After President Renews Call to Reduce Nation's Reliance on Fossil Fuels
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704289504575313122834326414.html
Democrats Divided on Path Forward for Climate/Energy Bill
July 21, 2010 by senatus
http://senatus.wordpress.com/2010/07/21/democrats-divided-on-path-forward-for-climateenergy-bill/
and the top 20 recipients of Oil/gas money
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?cycle=2010&ind=E01
Based more one geography than party...but here it's all about ideology...
Thanks for the info. You're right about geography rather than party. To some extent I understand it means jobs for their states but it does not take into account that, like US steel manufacturers, sooner or later those oil and coal jobs will be gone--the fields will dry up, the coal mines empty. It is why thinking toward that day now and not when it happens is so very important.
Republicans got more total cash, but the top recipients in the house and senate are democrats...
#1 in congress...
Boren, Dan (D-OK)$152,450
#1 in the senate
Lincoln, Blanche (D-AR)$329,650
Both are from "Oil" states
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary.php?ind=E01&cycle=2010&recipdetail=S&mem=Y
That doesn't surprise me at all. It is why we heard so many politicians in the Gulf rant against the temporary exploratory drilling moratorium. That's crazy--sacrifice the economy of all for the economy of some.
Jody,
Sometimes you have to walk a mile in the other person's shoes before passing judgment. Things tend to be more complicated up close than they are form a safe distance. There are also other countries (great piece with Margaret Warner on PBS) who are deep water drilling with much better control and safeguards than BP...
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2010/06/brazil-oil-rigs-and-world-cup.html
Wish we weren't so hooked on the "juice" too...
I don't blame Senator Reid, Speaker Pelosi or President Obama--the senate is what it is and this is an election year. It tells me that republicans would rather we continue our dependency on foreign oil rather than take steps to move this country into a new economic, industrial manufacturing era. The Democrats will do what they can this year and look to next year.
its the dems that dony want us retreiving the oil we have which would reduce the need for all the foreign oil and would put many people back to work, all three of those people you mentioned use oil every day and will do so for the rest of thier lives unless they want to walk.
Domestic oil production here at home does not get earmarked for our country's use. It is produced by publicly traded companies that put it up for sale on the WORLD MARKET.
Domestic oil does not reduce our dependence on foreign oil. We sold our rights to it to the oil companies.
Next stop: Abandon Immigration Reform.
All Aboard!!!!
This train wreck is leaving the station.
Of course they won't. They're scared of what's coming this Nov. and are preparing for the worse (which will come). I am not a Republican but to those of you who call them the party of no, wait and see until after the elections, lame duck Odumbo will be begging them to throw him a bone. No will actually be like music to many of our ears...Can't wait to see you Ozombies babbling!
So here is the question,
Do you see things getting better if the Republicans take control?
My take is this is a vendetta on the President, to make him look worse the W. I hope that does not happen but the rhetoric seems to be pointing that way because in the end the country will lose over that.
My point about that is just this, if the Republicans take control and they make this into making the President looking worse than W, the country itself will not get better but far much worse.
We need a Congress that is willing to give and take with each other and not obstructionists. I am sure the Democrats will pull the same lame crap as the Republicans have if they lose power.
The old saying stands as a true tried method of a nation's existence "United We Stand, Divided We Fall".
This country has been divided far too long and we see where that has gotten us.
Although it is often hard to maintain my objectivity, it is interesting to watch a once amazing and powerful country self destruct. I hope others on the planet are watching carefully and learning what not to do. Probably not, though.
Heartlight3,
For me, that is the hardest part, being a disabled veteran knowing you were ready to die for this country and now watch as it self destruct.
The only one babbling here Galileo is you. Is this the Republican/Tea Baggers new fear tactic? Suggesting that we are scared of November? Your fearmongering about anything including the mid-term elections and war is no longer working. Nor is the attempt to disguise your Republican DNA. Your ideology, limited intelligence quotient and rhetoric sounds remarkably similar to the garbage they peddle. No, that music in November is sound you'll hear before your head explodes with rage at another failed attempt at Republican control!
When determining whether anyone is blocking a legitimate piece of legislation or is failing to support a legitimate piece of legislation I think that people first need to ask themselves a few basic questions: First, do we as a people, as a country, need action on some kind of energy bill? Second, if the answer to the first question is yes then what are those issues we are facing that need immediate attention, mid-term attention and long term attention and Third, what will it take to at least get the ball rolling on restructuring the country's energy resources and policies so that we can begin those steps necessary to achieve those short term, mid-tem and long term needs and goals.
If the majority agree we need to establish some steps and goals, short term, mid-term and long term, even if the initial steps may be baby steps that are pointing us in the right direction, then anyone who is against such steps or who is unwilling to participate in the pursuit of such steps is behaving as an obstructionist.
These same questions should be applied to immigration reform.
CA,
You said it better than I could have, you have my vote.
Reid and Pelosi whine an awful lot about not having the votes to pass reforms considering they have hefty majorities in each House of Congress and the President to sign anything they want. It can't be only the fact that Republicans will not join them. When you do the math, there must be some Democratic defections also if they cannot even get to 51 votes to pass a bill in the Senate and there are 59 Democratic Senators. So the always blame Republicans tatic is getting a little old and tired by now. Politics is about compromise and the right compromise is the one that gets you to 51 votes or only 50 with Biden available to break a tie. What the Democrats really want is a forest of wind mills all over the country and that can only take you so far. You can't sell an energy policy that envisions a 50 percent drop in demand when the trend lines are going up.
Quentin Patrick
I suggest you look up Rule 22 of the senate as it applies to the modification of the filibuster and cloture rules. 51 votes doesn't get you anywhere in the Senate unless you are passing legislation through the "reconciliation" process. The RE-peat-the-lie-to-the-PUBLIC-ans in the Senate are making use of the "Proceedural Filibuster" (a filibuster in name only) FINO, on almost every piece of legislation that comes to them after passing with huge majority support in the House.
Wind Turbines and solar farms, are job creators, and may not have to be a permanent part of the solution to our energy "needs". That doesn't mean that we shouldn't embark on making use of there potential.
Yeah right, Reid, blame the Republicans. In this election year, any Democrats, in their right mind, would not have gone near this stupid bill, with a ten foot pole.