Hard to believe these guys. Wonder how Rand Paul plans to pay for this huge, expensive wall. Increased taxes? Surely a reporter will ask that question. His answer would be entertaining--eliminate social security, medicare, dept of education and the IRS.

CA and NY could cover their current budget deficit by eliminating the cost of illegal aliens in their states....CA = $21 billion and NY = $9 billion. That's a pretty healthy annual return on Rand's wall. Of course liberals don't think in terms of dollars and cents...because it's always someone else's money that gets spent!!

And a Robert's court will insure Obama will lose!!

Source, Hobie?

Depending on what study you are using, some economists say there is actually a net benefit to our economy from illegal aliens, as they consume products/services and produce jobs. Not to mention paying into social security which they never will receive. You can go back and forth about the moral arguments regarding illegal immigration all you want, but from everything I've read the dollars and cents of it is pretty neglible when you factor in what they cost us compared to what they produce for us.

Ron Indiana "The Obama administration is suing because they believe they will win!! The Constitution is clear that immigration is a federal issue."

I wouldn't be so sure. Arizona's law is actually WEAKER than existing Federal laws law, and courts have consistently sided with a State's right to enforce Federal immigration laws.

Under Federal law, a police officer does not even need "reasonable suspicion" to question a suspected illegal immigrant, and they do not have to stop the person in question for another legal reason. Federal Appeals Courts have sided with the States on this issue when the person tried to claim Federal jurisdiction precludes States from enforcing Federal laws.

The problem with Arizona is that they should have merely required Arizona police officials to enforce existing Federal immigration laws. Then, if Obama wanted to challenge it, they would have had to file an appeal to the Supreme Court to block enforcement.

Tim in Minnesota "Depending on what study you are using, some economists say there is actually a net benefit to our economy from illegal aliens"

Try telling that to the 15 million unemployed legal American workers who don't have jobs because there are 15 million illegal workers in this Country.

Roy-I doubt very much our country's unemployment problem is a direct result of illegal immigration. Would I prefer Americans to have the jobs illegals have taken? Certainly, if they are willing to take those jobs. However kicking every illegal out of the country and giving their jobs to american citizens isn't as easy as it sounds.

Why didn't Brewer demand the two Republican senators stand up for a comprehensive plan that would work? Big business likes the cheap labor that is why.

The nerve of Mccain and Kyl to be acting like the illegal alien issue started on 01/21/2009.

Sorry guys those 20 million people did not suddenly show up here the day after the inauguration.

Those two good for nothing except stealing $ from the taxpayers have had decades to get a handle on Illegal Immigration including border protection by building a fence and what did they do...kick the ball down the road!

Now they expect President Obama to have the solution signed, sealed, and delivered in 18 months!

They can go to hades!!! Hypocrits all!!!

I am sick of all the the whining from righties who keep revising history. Michael Steele got it so twisted he even labeled the Afghanistan war "Obama's War."

I find it amusing that you consistantly make hypocritical posts such as this.

You say that AG holder is here to protect us from draconian laws, yet he instead protects those passing the draconian laws.

You call those against illegal immigration "racist", yet you are the racist as you continually put down and stereotype caucasions.

You sit here and complain about wanting progress and cooperation but all you do is lob partisan insults that only further the divide and prevent that cooperation that you so vigorously harp for.

You know there is no "I" in team, but there are three "U"s" in SHUT THE FU** UP!

Brutus, there's no "I" in team but there's 3 "I"s in "freakin' idiot"!

Oh you see now that's cute, you almost had something original there, but then you lost it.

I bet that happens often, you're at a party you try to say something that you think is funny, then realize your the only one laughing, most everyone else just shuffleing back forth nervously..... That's because you're crazy and you scare them.

Get help, for the good of the general population of the planet Earth.

Brutus, keep the light stuff coming! Nothing I like more than a battle of wits with unarmed people!

Whatever happened to sensible discussion. Read the law... for the law... word for word. In summation to it... the law does but only a few things while mimicking existing federal law. First... those people questioned must already be in custodial arrest... meaning they are being detained for another offense - or a primary offense. The law empowers these state level enforcers with the ability to check and discern immigration and when discrepancies are found... they are given the power to detain and escort these offenders to federal authorities.

The overlap in power comes in state level law enforcement looking at immigration paperwork/identification. The power to enforce "actual" immigration law remains with federal authorities as the state will not be handling the deporting of these people. This is why you initially read statements coming from the White House that they would simply advise INS to not accept people found with invalid, inaccurate, or no immigration paperwork/identification.

It confounds a person as to what the hell is wrong with any of this. Immigrants have to carry identification on them. Most people don't leave the house with identification. Will innocent people get questioned about their status... most certainly. Will the officers step out of the line and bounds of the law - we haven't a clue yet... as we've not even seen if the law will work.

There is enough grey area for this law to be contested from both sides... but I think this law would be looked upon as more of an asset by federal officials... Here you have a state, willing to put up the effort and a portion of its own budget to do the grunt work that the federal government was incapable of. And rather than take the cooperative effort to enforce laws that have existed for long before this... they scoff and kick dirt.

McCain is a politician... and for all his years... he's had his chance. So in regards to the article and this statement... it's all just politics. Put the politics of left and right aside... along with the hate, and look at what is reasonable and fair. This country has been more than fair and more than patient, and we have been brutally abused for it.

You do not like someone white, so you call them a white racist, reading your info, you need to educate yourself with the history of Mc cain, in 2006 he made a speech to congress on immigration reform and was ignored.

If he is a white racist, you must also be a racist, mexican ?

You as the rest of the people who use the word white racist, should be sued.

Because african americans have black only colleges, is this not racist?

Because mexicans have the latino caucus, is this not racist

Because you expect free health care because you are illegal, is this not racist?

African american women have black women colleges, is this not racist

And you have the audacity to call a white person racist because they are white, are you not the racist?

Oh that one stings..... Seeing as how you haven't actually said anything of substance, yet claim you are fighting a battle of wits.

And at least it's ggod to know that Eric's mom can come and defend him when someone calls BS on his useless, incoherant and unproductive rants.... Do you kiss his boo boos and tell him it's okay also?

I normally don't read these posts, but will look at the replies;this time,they were ambivalent enough that I went back and read it.

I flagged it.

Mark, Dominico, whoever-there must be something to do about the homophobic remarks that pepper his posts. The regulars on this board know that I call out those on the right who dare to post anything that smacks of bigotry. I have long ago resigned myself to the fact that few,if any, on the left will perform the same service.

There are statements and name-calling that cross the line; these should not be tolerated in a civil society. There must be some way to police such posts-and the posters who are most guilty.

Please-for the sake of the decent people on this board-do something.

Eric, go drink some more vodka, you communist fairy.

Brutus, you've had all the substance of smoke and all the depth of an evaporating puddle! You want substance, try not leading in by telling people to shut the f@&k up! Til then, go back to you cheetos in the basement!

Eric, Salinas, CA

Eric i think you would have still made your point with out the name calling. I know where your coming from and i agree completely. calling people faries does cross the line the same as calling people retards

no joe, no bo, nj

You in the past have done some name calling as well, most was directed at the president. you can't pick and choose what you don't like to see on this post just like i can't

the name calling the president has received in the past 18 months has been deplorable, Hitler, Nazi. these two things are more offensive than eric said. to compare any body to Hitler, history worse mass murder is horrible. In no way,No Jo an i saying you have called the president this but i did not see you post and complain about it. but intill things change we are in titled to free speech

so No Jo i can expect you to never name call the president ever again. Right.

John McCain is only doing this because he wants to get re-elected. he was all for immigration reform until he ran for president. Now he is soo concerned about the boarder because he want to get re-elected.

I'll be the first to admit that Eric goes over the top at times... but in NO way do I believe in censorship!

I AM curious though as to why no one called out Jesse Harding...?

Listen to who is calling someone whinning. ICE made two checks on meat packing plants near the end of his term. Hundreds of illegals were caught but all of your people moaned and groaned about it. Why penalize the people who hired them. Doing that would have stopped nearly all of the illegals from entering and we would not have to have the fences...

An american abides by the laws. What are you if you don't??

Listen to who is calling someone whinning. ICE made two checks on meat packing plants near the end of Bushes term. Hundreds of illegals were caught but all of your people moaned and groaned about it. Why penalize the people who hired them. Doing that would have stopped nearly all of the illegals from entering and we would not have to have the fences...

An american abides by the laws. What are you if you don't??

Given the history of Spanish colonization, I'll bet there's Hispanics in Arizona who's families have been there longer than mine has! That's 110 - 160 years!

I agree-amnesty ha been tried---and failed.,

There will never be a consensus bill that includes amnesty. It is ridiculous to believe that 11 million people will be deported.

Therefore, give those who are here a card other than green. Make it blue, purple,orange-whatever suits. This card will allow them to do the work they are ALREADY DOING, while being protected by our laws.

THEN seal the border.

As I recall, Reagan's amnesty efforts did not include an overhaul of the entire immigration system. It was a temporary solution like sticking a finger in the dam to stop a leak.

no joe, no bo, nj

Girl your starting to sound like a liberal. Yes you can deport them, not all at once but never say nothing can be done, this is America. on history channel i watched the Docmentary , storyof US, detailing american history from the rebels to the present day, and the main thing i got from that is Americana's have over come every challange, why not this one.

i say deport them, because they knew our laws, they knew the consequences to there actions. the openly flaunted our laws and made it seen like this was there god given right to cross in to a country illegally. the Mexican immigration laws are 100 time tougher than our laws. these people need to be made an example of.

also how long can our local government afford to pay for there schooling, hospitalisation this will only get worse.

as the president said during the election

make then pay a fine, make the pay the back taxes, make them learn english, and make them get in the back of the line. also if you give green cards there will be a run on our boraders. every mexican will try and get here to get one, as long as we have 9.8% unemployment this is a bad idea.

Terry,

I am sure you are correct, but McCain doesn't remember how many houses he owns. Not sure we can count on him for too much these days...

Disgusted,

What houses, McCain can't remember what side of any issue he is on lately. Thanks for the laugh!

Super 8 or Motel 6 leaves the light on forya! Its just a bed, notta way of life.

On a serrious note, we've heard that song & dance b4, if ya do that, prices will go up.Newsflash, prices go up, whether it's yogi & Booboo picking lettuce or julio, or Al.

Lame argument!

Cheap labor is never cheap you save on lettuce, and health care cost skyrocket for example. These people use resources at the taxpayers expense the cheap labor is subsidized by the taxpayers one way or the other. Wal-mart offers cheap stuff from China and pays its workers poorly, most of them use medicare because they have no health insurance so you subsidize one of the most profitable corporations. I don't believe there is really such a thing as cheap labor in the long run. I agree you will seldom find illegals in a union shop and they make a profit while providing a safer work place, health insurance, and in many cases a pension. These workers are much less costly to the system in their old age. Union contractors still have to be the low bidder to get the contract so don't tell me they drive the price up, the non-union shops do not pass any savings on to the consumer, they still charge whatever the traffic will bear.

Forrest Grump. I agree with you on this. As for the cost argument, everytime the minimum wage increases we hear that same argument about increasing costs. Those making that claim should be required to live a few months earning minimum wage.

FG, I think there is a contradiction there. If a union contractor has to be low bidder, but the the non-union shop doesn't pass along savings then there is upward price pressure. I would also dispute that the difference in salary paid to an illegal worker and what would be required to get a replacement legal worker would be equal to the amount of public money spent on services for the illegal worker. As you point out, many employees of companies like Wal-Mart still have to use those public services. So, not only would the salaries of workers increase, but the use of public services would continue as well.

There is only a contradiction if you assume the difference is passed on to the consumer, it is not, the owners just make more profit or can tolerate more inefficiency and still make a profit. Nothing is cheaper in right to work states, people don't flock to Arkansas (just as an example) to buy cars appliances, furniture or else. Those states have unemployment numbers and foreclosure rates the same as the rest of the country they don't seem to even employ a substantially greater number of people at the cheaper labor rates. Paying people a good wage for a good days work, is the foundation of a sound economy, not to mention, pride in workmanship, company loyalty, value for the consumer, and other intangible but important qualities.

Yeah right Juven! And while were at it, let's make them Mexican TV channels like UNIVISION subtitle all those hot soap operas in ENGLISH. That said, why don't you be a brave little boy and sign up for border patrol duty? Oh wait I forgot, your a Republican't.

Well Juven, when my oldest son went to France he found that nearly everyone would switch to English immediately when he reached the limits of his High School French. My son is spending his second Summer studying in China. He didn't feel that it enhanced his Chinese language skills as much as it should have last year because most Chinese preferred to polish their English skills when they discovered he was an American. As for being a recent phenomenon for new arrivals to have limited English speaking skills or to retain their native tongue long into their residence here, I graduated HS with someone who spoke only German at home because his grandparents knew very little English. Des Moines has a substantial Italian community and to this day there are older immigrants whose English is very fractured.

Well said, John B.

To that I'll add that most Americans feel everyone else should speak English; even when we travel overseas, too few make any effort to speak the language even to order dinner. We should be teaching foreign languages in the early grade school years when learning it is much easier and continue through high school.

Silly thought... but if the original 13 colonies had been in California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas, Spanish would be our language.

I guess you forgot about the National Guard Troops that were at her disposal and still have not used yet. And the political games continue.

JUVENBACHAN:

You are a liar!

THe sign post you refer to were there before the President met with the Governor and they were not compliments of the United States government but the state of Arizona!!

Can you read??

Stop taking the FAUX talking points as gospel! That is where you got those lies!

It was the republicans that shot down McCains immigration reform attempts.

Rick, I too have travelled the Hoover Dam - Grand Canyon route - last weekend to be exact - to let bella la mia fiduzata see the Grand Canyon. While we were in Vegas, before our trip to the Grand Canyon, Gov Brewer was interviewed on CNN. la mia fidunzata, who is NOT a political person, saw the interview and said the following: 'who IS that crazy lady on the TV?'

I had to explain to her that the 'crazy lady' was the Governor of Arizona. She just shook her head and said 'My GOD! She sure is hateful!'

Now, this is from someone who HATES talking politics. She also remarked that she was 'concerned' about going to Arizona if this was the type of people who lived there.

Now, I know that not ALL Arizonans are like the Governor, but it bears to note that Gov. Brewer explaining this law sounds like a stark raving lunatic to those who are mostly uninterested.

BTW, the Grand Canyon is beautiful. It's too bad it is in Arizona.

Lucky for you your bella la mia fiduzata - didn't catch a snippet or two of Sharon Engle! lol

Now that's some serious CRAZZZEEE!

Feisty - oh we did - on television on Rachel Maddow's show. There are a lot of radio ads being run here in Nevada by Harry Reid with Sharron Angle.

This woman is just plain scary.

You both have my deepest sympathies Pietro! :0)

yes, that I know,, but there is another small law, I am trying to find it, a lawyer spoke of this small bill on msnbc about 2 weeks ago and it gives certain rights to states, granted by the government.

Now i am encouraged to find it.