The possible McChrystal replacements

NBC's Athena Jones reports that Gen. McChrystal arrived at the White House at around 9:40 am, about 15 minutes after Vice President Biden.

Nobody knows yet if President Obama will relieve the general of his duties, but NBC's Courtney Kube reports on some of the potential replacement names floating around the Pentagon -- if Obama does decide to go that route. Even if the president does not decide to let him go, this could be an important group of people to keep an eye on going forward.

Here are a few possible replacements for General McChrystal that have been floating around the Pentagon this morning:

Three top options:
General James Mattis, Marine Corps, Commander of Joint Forces Command
- General Odierno has been nominated to replace Mattis, but, obviously, has not yet. Mattis was on the very short list to be the next Commandant of the Marine Corps, but was passed over for General Amos several days ago.

Lieutenant General David Rodriguez, Army, Commander International Security Assistance Force Joint Command
- He's one of McChrystal's closest advisers and colleagues, and took the helm as the first Commander of IJC last fall. He's also been the Deputy Commander of US Forces Afghanistan since March. He was Gates' senior military assistant before that and was known to have a very good relationship with Gates.

NOTE: If McChrystal resigns, Rodriguez will likely serve as the interim commander of ISAF, regardless of who's selected.

Martin Dempsey, Army, Commander of U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command (TRADOC)
- He and General Petraeus have been ships passing in the night for the past several years -- Dempsey served as Acting Commander of CENTCOM for about 6 months in 2008, before Petraeus took the helm. He also took over the police training mission in Iraq from Petraeus in 2007. He's well-respected and was rumored as a name to take the mission last year before McChrystal got the job.

Other possibles (less likely):
Lieutenant General Bill Caldwell, Army, Commander of the NATO Training Mission in Afghanistan
- He just took the helm of training the Afghan Security Forces, which is considered a critical mission in Afghanistan, so he's not likely to be pulled out. That being said, he is well-respected and has done multiple deployments to both Iraq and Afghanistan, including one year as the spokesperson for Multi-National Forces in Iraq (in other words, he is comfortable with the media).

General Walter "Skip" Sharp, Army, Commander of US Forces Korea
- He's got about 40 years service in the military, has deployed to every major conflict since Bosnia, and even served as Director of the Joint Staff.

NBC's Savannah Guthrie and Chuck Todd report Obama is expected to speak on camera here at the White House after his 11:35 am meeting with his national security team. No time given yet.

Kube also reports that a senior Pentagon official says he expects the president to make a statement about McChrystal early this afternoon.

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I choose Mike Tyson or Gunnery Sgt Hartman.

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#1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:12 AM EDT

Obama and Biden are fools. They attack our military leaders; frankly because, neither of them know what they are doing in the White House! We have only ourselves to blame regarding the mess in Afghanistan and Iraq. Like it or not, you can't vote a man into the Presidency and make him Commander and Chief of all the Military; when he has never served One (1) day and has no concept of military strategy. It's not up to others (including Biden) to call the military shots and make decisions Obama doesn't know how to.

Frankly, coming from a military family; our President isn't well thought of. Why? Because he uses every opportunity to "throw the military under the bus" when backed into a corner. President Obama isn't respected because he doesn't give respect. Plain and simple.

General McChrystal is a Senior Military Advisor. As such, he has the right to question any Presidential opinion or decision that places American Soil; American Lives; or Military Personnel in direct "Harms Way." What we have here is a simple case of President Obama not wanting his questionable decision making practices open to scrutiny. Nor does President Obama want any qualified military leaders around who can stand up to him and call President Obama out on his actions or inactions. Just because President Obama is Commander and Chief of the Military, doesn't place his actions above the Law! Last time I checked that definition is was a Dictatorship not a Democracy!

President Obama is an opportunist. He is more interested in "making points" with the U.N. and foreign leaders than doing the job he was elected to do. All this President and his administration want is: more control over the population; less personal freedoms; more U.N. involvement, even on American soil; and "Passing the Buck" (Usually, Military, Republicans, Tea-Party, Special Interest Groups protecting Constitutional Rights, etc) when called out on President Obama's shortcomings, excessive spending, and Dictatorial attitude and Administration policy.

You people had better wake up soon. Everything President Obama and his administration is working toward tends to be more government control; less personal freedoms; more U.N. control (even on U.S. soil); and military under U.N. control. This President has already demostrated his contempt for the Constitution, when it suits him. At this rate, we won't have a democratic country by 2012. Perhaps it's time to consider firing President Obama! Anyone for impeachment on the grounds of incompetence!

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#1.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:44 AM EDT

Actually Therese I suggest you begin by reading the Constitution. President Obama is fulfilling his role as Commander-in-Chief. Our Constitution puts a civilian in control of our military.

Let me you guess. You are a Tea Party member who is clueless and have no idea what you are talking about.

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#1.2 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:51 AM EDT

"Like it or not, you can't vote a man into the Presidency and make him Commander and Chief of all the Military; when he has never served One (1) day and has no concept of military strategy. "

Ok, so now you have fully described george bush, can you honestly defend your vote for him since he so completely fits the description above? Sorry, being out of pocket or running (actually funning) a congressional campaign while in the national guard does not count.

If it was not important in 2000, it is not important now. And we have a reason to be in Afghanista, never had a good reason to go to Iraq.

"Anyone for impeachment on the grounds of incompetence!" Lord have mercy child, we had more than ample grounds to use that against georgie and I always wondered why we did not, add stupid to that mix and we had more than enough reason to.

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#1.3 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:55 AM EDT

Like it or not, you can't vote a man into the Presidency and make him Commander and Chief of all the Military; when he has never served One (1) day and has no concept of military strategy.

The Constitution never made military service a requirement for seving as President. Get over yourself and get over it.

General McChrystal is a Senior Military Advisor. As such, he has the right to question any Presidential opinion or decision that places American Soil; American Lives; or Military Personnel in direct "Harms Way." What we have here is a simple case of President Obama not wanting his questionable decision making practices open to scrutiny. Nor does President Obama want any qualified military leaders around who can stand up to him and call President Obama out on his actions or inactions.

General McChrystal has the right to disagree. Rolling Stone is not the forum for doing so so you are wrong, however, when you state that what we have is a simple case of President Obama not wanting anyone around who questions his judgement or his decisions.

If your boss found an e-mail that you sent that was deemed to be inappropriate criticism of your boss would you be allowed to keep your job?

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#1.4 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:01 AM EDT

Therese: It is rather grandiose to suggest that you speak for all military families. It is equally delusional for you to believe that you know better than the President and his staff. or this country in ANY way should be in the charge of military people only. If you do not know the history or traditions of this country better than that, you should not be voting. I would suggest that you go to your local community college and take a Civics class so that you may understand your duties as a citizen, and the Constitution and how it applies to this issue.

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#1.5 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:02 AM EDT

Union Baby, Tennessee, excellent point and you nailed the target. Bush dismissed several generals for not towing the line to his thinking. Hell even Gen Shinseki was skewered over his remarks that we would need several hundred thousand troops for Iraq and in the end the 4 star general was right about the numbers needed in Iraq. As for Gen McC. he knows that he crossed the line as a commissioned officer, he knows that he could be courts-martialed for this under the UCMJ for conduct unbecoming of an officer, he knows that his career is toast if the President wants it to be.

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#1.6 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:07 AM EDT

Oh, my gosh. Then Ronald Reagan was an illegitimate president. I was right all along.

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#1.7 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:21 AM EDT

Regardless of the fact of whether our President has military training or not, he is still the Commander-in-Chief of all military forces. And "all" and I mean "all" military personnel are under his command whether they like it or not. From the highest General to the lowest private. The General was out of line in being critical of our President and our Vice President and their Staff and he should resign. No Military Officer should criticize their superiors out in the open, that in my book is called insubordination and are grounds for immediate removal from his post and removal from the military. In essence, he should be fired and he should be removed from the military immediately. What kind of example will he be to his men now--that it is OK to insult the President out in the open. It is bad enough that the Republicans do it in the Chambers of the House of Representative. So, now a General will renew an old trend of being insubordinate to the President, like MacArthur did with President Truman. What next? What is the world coming too? What ever happened to respect of authority? It looks like there are too many chiefs and not enough Indians. So, in essence, this General has to be shown who is the chief and be shown the door.

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#1.8 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:24 AM EDT

Terese may be from a military family, but obviously knows little about the military. Clinton never served a day in the miltiary. G. W. Bush only serve in the Reserves and skated out of most of the training. Article 34 of the UCMJ makes it a Court Martial offense for officers to disrespect the CIC (POTUS). McCrystal is a West Point who knows how to conduct himself. I never taught at West Point, but I taught at the AF Academy and every student has heard the MacArthur story hundreds of time. They probably wrote papers on the topic. It's not about McCrystal or President Obama. It about the POTUS as CIC!

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#1.9 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:32 AM EDT

Theresa,

You say you come from a military family. Do you have any personal service? You do not speak for me or my family. My grandfather came to this country at age 11 and fought for the US in WWI, My father was a gunner's mate in the Navy and saw action in the Pacific during WWII, both my uncles also served overseas in WWII, both Army, I was in the Navy (DAV)during the Viet Nam conflict and my daughter is a Naval Officer currently on assignment in San Diego Naval Hospital. Four generations in this country and every generation has had a family member fighting for our country. You have no right to even remotely speak for me or my family.

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#1.10 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:44 AM EDT

Like it or not, you can't vote a man into the Presidency and make him Commander and Chief of all the Military; when he has never served One (1) day and has no concept of military strategy.

The Constitution never made military service a requirement for seving as President. Get over yourself and get over it.

The word I'd like to describe the statement from Da Noid would get me tossed off Newsvine. For you others who are trying to capitalize on what Therese in NV was saying - get a grip. Idiotic comments always flow when someone is trying to make a salient point. Especially from the left.

Therese's point was - you can't expect Obama to even have the slightest understanding of how the military thinks, operates or functions because he doesn't have one iota of experience with it. Of course the Constitution places a civilian over the military - although I would bet money most liberals don't know why. Thats a topic for another discussion but not now.

When Obama makes bad decisions based on his agenda or ideology, it is harmful to our country. The senior military commanders either roll their eyes, or laugh when he does this. Worst case scenerio they shudder because they know what it means to the troops under their command and how badly these decisions place their troops in harms way. Meranda rights given to enemy combatants is one of the Obama decisions that makes zero sense. The ask questions first, load your weapon, ask more questions, ask permission to fire, accept enemy incoming fire, procedure will end up killing more of our troops in combat zones. There's nothing like tying the hands of our soldiers in the field when faced with life or death decisions. Would you consider this one of Obama's "change you can believe in" ideas as a good one?

No wonder Obama has been publicly ridiculed. A stone serious commander like McCrystal probably had no other recourse. I applaud the man.

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#1.11 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:46 AM EDT

To all the military members active & retired that took the time to respond the tea baggin Teresa!

Thank you & thank you for your service! :0)

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#1.12 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:51 AM EDT

Feisty and many others,

Much thanks. I think it is safe to say that we all felt this was our duty. Not only to our great nation, but to our families, friends and "yes" even to those who disagree. There is not one of us who would hesistate to throw ourselves in front of an enemy bullet to protect this country and ALL of its people. This is who we are. The love of our country is unconditional.

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#1.13 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:03 PM EDT

There is nothing presidential about Obama. He should be relieved of duty!!!!!

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#1.14 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:21 PM EDT

Regardless of how one feels about Obama, McChrystal was way out of line, and he knows it. That makes me wonder why he did it? Maybe he WANTS out of Afghanistan....

To all the military members active & retired that agree with the FUDGE PACKING Feisty Redhead:

Thank you for your service. (Now, wasn't that a most helpful and mature post? Calling a stranger a nasty, mean name simply because they don't toe your line? Go, Red, go! Get 'packing' girl!)

Why can't folks just disagree without getting so unbelievably NASTY with one another? Don't assume that you know someone's party affiliation/political beliefs just because they don't mirror yours down to the last jot and tittle.

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#1.15 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:28 PM EDT

Airborne Bob - my sentiments exactly! The left would disagree with you. They actually think a hesitant, mamby pamby, no experience, narcisist is good for our country. They like the idea that Obama throws this country under the bus when facing other heads of state - especially socialist dictators. There can be no other explanation for the overwelming support the left gives this socialist president.

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#1.16 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:28 PM EDT

People want to pin this on Obama and say that he should leave the military alone because he has no military experience. Nonsense!

1) Obama did not put any of these words into McChrystal's mouth or the mouths of his bizarre group of "aides." McChrystal and his people knew full well that they were talking to a reporter on the record and what they were saying. They also knew what they were doing when they gave the reporter full access to the troops in Afghanistan for 3 weeks.

2) Most of McChrystal's criticism was directed at the diplomatic corps. This is often the case because diplomats tend to see military conflict as a failure of diplomacy and the military often sees diplomatic efforts as a waste of time. This is more of a traditional rivalry.

3) Look at the alternatives and past: Bush Jr. - deserter, Cheney - felony draft dodger, McCain - turncoat and traitor who betrayed his fellow prisoners and airmen. I am not sure that military service itself is relevant. The military is a cocked gun. Its greatest value lies in being the "big stick" that backs up diplomacy. Once the cocked gun is fired, it loses much of its value.

4) McChrystal's value is that he literally wrote the book on counterinsurgency. But his brilliance as a military analyst does not mean that he was the best choice to implement it. On this I fault Obama in that he looked more at the man's brilliance in analyzing counterinsurgency than his track record as a loose canon who had been in and out of trouble (mostly because of his mouth) since West Point.

5) McCrystal's comments basically showed his isolation from the diplomatic corps as well as the President, Vice President, National Security Council, Secretary of Defense, and military Chief. By the time a person get's to McCrystal's rank there is absolutely no room for someone with so little self-discipline that that he cannot control his mouth.

6) Here is the oath that McCrystal took: "I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." He broke that oath.

7) McCrystal should have been stood down to a desk job after the Tillman affair. Disciplinary action against him was the recommendation of the Army investigating panel for his part in the attempted coverup (which was almost successful.) He let others take the rap for his involvement.

8) Due to the general timeline, this is the only opportunity that ISAF will have to conduct a summer offensive before NATO pulls out completely and the surge expires. Unfortunately, the offensive has stalled down in Marja and unless this situation is fixed within days, the offensive will fizzle out completely. If the offensive fizzles, the war is effectively over.

9) The only person who seems to be strongly supporting McCrystal is Karzai. Karzi wants to negotiate to bring the Taliban into the government. McCrystal has been Karzai's staunch supporter and regularly has gone after Eikenberger and Holbrook when they have expressed disdain at Karzai's corruption and lack of support for the offensive.

10) I honestly think that the "McCrystal strategy" is the best option available right now. But I do not think that McCrystal was ever the best choice to implement that strategy.

11) Much of the Rolling Stone article was about McCrystal losing the support of the frontline officers and men. This shows itself most dramatically with the interviews that disagree with McCrystal's Rules of Engagement (which were not Obama's rules.)

I was a military intelligence analyst for ten years. I strongly disagreed with out policies in Vietnam, but I served there, was wounded, and lost a lot of buddies. I got to watch pilots coming home from bombing in Laos while Nixon was going on the news to deny that we were bombing in Laos. I saw babies who had been killed by friendly fire and was instructed to report them as NVA Mainforce Soldiers along with other women and children. These reasoning was that we had killed most of the baby's relatives, he would have joined the VC and should, therefore, be counted as an insurgent.

But I did what my oath required me to do. And at various times I gave parts of intelligence briefings to JFK, Johnson, and Nixon in person. But because my government lied and lied about Vietnam, when my hitch was up, I walked away from a military in which I thought I would be making a career. That is what a military man does. He does not pick and choose what orders to follow. He does his job and keeps his mouth shut and, if he does not like it, he does not re-up.

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#1.17 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:35 PM EDT

Therese in NV Before you give your opinion about President Obama and Vice President Biden, please give us your qualifications and accomplishments. This will eliminate the possibility of others saying "consider the source." You could be a biased, racist, far right winged idiot trying to share your stupidity with others. It is also possible that you are mentally impaired. By the way, your comment does give that impression.

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#1.18 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:44 PM EDT

To Therese in NV: I couldn't agree with you less. There are many U.S. citizens who don't come from "military families" who stand to serve their country everyday. Service and loyalty to one's country are not measured by one's experience in the military necessarily. I come from a stalwart Republican family, and yet I stand to support President Obama in his use of his best discretion and restraint so that no one is in harm's way - our soldiers abroad or any civilian who is innocent of involvement (often women, children and elderly.) The U.S Military has its own culture that is not largely shared by the general population. We can support our military and yet call for the utmost discipline in the use of their resources as a country that is attempting to help create stability and peace in Iraq and Afghanistan. These are efforts that are not meant to help us win a popularity contest at the UN, these are serious efforts to protect and support families and communities both at home and in the Middle East. This issue is not just about satisfying and engaging a point of view that adheres to a culture of command, but is superceded by engaging and creating a world that is safe for everyone. I don't confuse President Obama's restraint with incompetence. I respect his efforts to think before he asks anyone to pull a trigger. It seems to me that any soldier would feel the same.

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#1.19 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:55 PM EDT

Obama is one of the types of people who says he listens but really doesn't. He is a partial term Senator and unqualified President. Occording to Kenya he was born there. His aunt is illegal and still living in the US. He is fighting the rule of law on immigration,( i.e. Arizona) and is showing his true colors by saying this is not a Christian nation. Thats how it was founded. Freedom of not from religion. Ignoring National day aof Prayer when Muslims hold prayer on property adjoining the WH. The big O is stuck on himself and if you will look on the net you can find him and his wife (who I believe is restricted form practing a certain phase of las in Illinois) covering their heart on the wrong side and with the wrong hand, and who refused to acknowledge the National Anthem at one point. CORRECT: he knows absolutely nothing about the Military, neither does Joe Biden and let us not forget John Kerry, the protester who gave himself the nomination for the decoration in Nam. I'm with McChrystal.

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#1.20 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:56 PM EDT

Isn't it strange that rather than comment appropriately on the issue, so many use this to support a trojan? calling a poster "tea bagger" derogatorily and using this to support a group of outright criminals? Very disappointing.

The General knows he did wrong, knowingly and willfully.

The idiots who are using this forum incorrectly knowingly and willfully do wrong as well.

Keep to the issue, and learn from mistakes-otherwise we're doomed to repeat them.

get rid of the Manchurian.

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#1.21 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:14 PM EDT

If you want to win your war hand it to the marines! It has been the doctrine to let the marines clear the path then the army occupies but as of recently the army has been slipping just look at fallujah one of the many places in Iraq. Marines cleared and secured the city, army took it over lost it within a year and called the marines again. The marines retook the city and occupied it for the rest of the campaighn. Terrorists even started avoiding marines and engaging the army. Give the reighns to the marines and let them handle it.

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#1.22 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:15 PM EDT

To 30 year vet: There is just no conspiracy theory that Fox News pushes that you will not believe is there? Are you at all embarrassed to know that everything you wrote is incorrect, or do you like being willfully ignorant?

    #1.23 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:34 PM EDT
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    The Army has produced many competent generals who know their responsibilities and how to conduct themselves. Unfortunately, McChrystal is not one of them.

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    Reply#2 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:21 AM EDT

    Mc Chrystal isn't any less competent of leading then any other General. He made a big mistake but it didn't get anyone killed it just made the President look like little miss daisy in a Sunday school dress.

    I'd stand behind this man because at least he has enough balls to speak his mind. We all know what the press can do with something they hear or something we tell them, they spin there own twist to the real truth and pump it up a little bit to sell magazines and newspapers or have you been so blind that your brain has ceased to function.

    This story made some poor smuck a nice tidy nest egg at the generals expense.

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    #2.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:10 AM EDT

    Jason, I'll ask the same question to you.

    Disagreeing with your boss is one thing, but if your boss found an e-mail that you wrote that he felt was inappropriately critical not of a specific decision but about his character in general, would you be allowed to keep your job?

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    #2.2 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:16 AM EDT

    Whether you would be allowed to stay or not would depend on how much you add to the bottom line of the company. If you're a producer of revenue, accomodations would be made. If not, and if you're easily replaced you'd be gone.

      #2.3 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:26 PM EDT

      If my boss read my e-mail instead of ignoring me-lol

      And if he wasn't walking outside later where his authority Ended............he may feel differently at that point.

      like people posting where they never have to face the point of thier issue.

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      #2.4 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:34 PM EDT
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      It seems to me that Obama is the one that needs to be replaced!  Why not solve all problems at one time???  Send him back to his OWN country!  He has already destroyed ours!

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      Reply#3 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:25 AM EDT

      Whackadoodle Troll Tripe. It never ceases to amaze at the amount of entitled arrogance from the Republithug Right. Gather up your contrived talking points for this afternoon to enlighten us on how the President has let us down, yet again.

      I tolerantly wait for you to show the arrogant ignorance.

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      #3.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:40 AM EDT

      Heck fella, you lost, get over it! Where is all that patriotism now? Oh, I get it, you only love our country when your folks are in control, right? well, I gotta tell you, I love my country regardless of who the president is or who holds court in congress, i loved my country though 8 years of a drunk/coke head being in charge, and a repugnant congress that was so out of control and touch they spent every cent they could get their hands on on a war with a country who did absolutely nothing to me, such a shame you can't love yours even if you don't care for someone who is actually smart enough to have the job. Some of us happen to like an intelligent president, of course some of us settle for the idiot behavior of the bushes and regans. Careful fella, you might spill your tea!

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      #3.2 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:51 AM EDT

      People like this are frightening. How do you sleep at night? Csense, develop some common sense before you post.

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      #3.3 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:03 AM EDT

      C. Sense101----zero common sense as the President is a natural born citizen. Dunce would be the word for you or maybe just maybe you fall under the category of a charlie foxtrot.

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      #3.4 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:29 AM EDT

      Hi Terry, good to see ya again. Maybe we can all take a collection and put this ingrate on a plane and send them to another country. I am sick and tired of the tea baggers and repugs trashing this country. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE GET THE HELL OUT!!!

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      #3.5 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:54 AM EDT

      Its great to pile on csense as he has demonstrated that he has no csense. Please read the Constitution and maybe the bio of our current president. If you and your ilk would rather see the military make all the decisions in this country as Gen. MclChyrstal has intimated then maybe you want to move to South America and let a Junta control your destiny

        #3.6 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:55 AM EDT

        C. sense101 Please understand that those of us who refuse to base our comments on biased beliefs or our commitment to the right wing party realize that you are full of sh_t. I really hope that C.sense doesn't suggest that you think you have common sense. Not.

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        #3.7 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:51 PM EDT

        as you can see there are still in the u.s that make it about color get over it man times have changed a left you behind it people like you that cause the problems of the world

          #3.8 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:16 PM EDT

          have to wonder if any of you blind supporters claiming to be Veterans actually Are combat vets or just claimers.

          Bad mouthing people who don't agree with blind support isn't an intelligent decision-it's as Biased as you can get.

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          #3.9 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:37 PM EDT
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          The obvious choice will be Rodriquez. There is no real belief that McChrystal's strategy is wrong, just that he is the wrong guy to implement it. My guess would be that Rodriguez would take over the ISAF on an interim and be given 60-90 days or so to show his stuff. This would pose a minimal disruption because Rodriguez is already in position and does support the McChrystal strategy. Since this summer is the only opportunity ISAF will have to conduct a coordinated offensive, 90 days will be plenty of time to see how he does. The offensive is currently stalled down in Marja, so his objective is clear --- fix Marja or the offensive will fizzle out. During the 60-90 days, there will be plenty of time to assess options if Rodriguez fails.

          Mattis is considered to be too inflexible and committed to symmetrical warfare, ditto for Sharp. There is nothing wrong with this in either of their current assignments because symmetry is the name of the game. Caldwell is considered a fail in Afghanistan.

          Dempsey would be my second choice. I don't know much about him except that Petraeus considered him a sort of personal rival and spent a lot of time trying to keep him down.

          And I would suggest that anyone reading this go to www.rollingstone.com and read the who article that started all this.

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          Reply#4 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:30 AM EDT

          Do you find it interesting that Gates and Petraeus always seem to be at the center of these things?

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          #4.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:23 AM EDT

          NEWSFLASH: no matter who replaces McChrystal, in all probability, he or she will not respect Obama's leadership either. The POTUS is a great orator. He can make great speaches. He steps up to the plate to deal with difficult issues such as the current gulf problem, health care, and Wall Street. I don't agree with him on everything. I give him props for trying to deal with the problems instead of ignoring the problems. But, when it comes to being the Commander-In-Chief, sorry Mr. Obama, your grade would be D-. Very few in the military have any regard for this man. So replace McChrystal all day long if you want. If anyone is asked their opinion, the same response will be made.

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          #4.2 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:44 AM EDT
          Reply

          The General has left the WH, not sure yet if he will be back for the meeting.

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          Reply#5 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:32 AM EDT

          Gingerbread,

          Let wait and see. I think the meeting starts in about 1 hour. Maybe he had to go to a quiet place to write his apology or resignation.

          Whatever happens, President Obama is going to get hammered again. He just cannot win. He was left with a state of affairs that no matter what he does to try and fix them he going to get hammered. Too much, Too little, Too fast, not fast enough.

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          #5.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:39 AM EDT

          You forgot... he walks on water but WHY can't he swim... lol

          Time to load up on the Troll repellent!

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          #5.2 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:52 AM EDT

          Hi Feisty, good to hear from you again. Yep, you got it.

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          #5.3 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:55 AM EDT

          Good Morning Retired, Fiesty, The media is going nuts trying to read the signs. It would make sense for him to leave as the meeting is not for a while, I am certain the atmosphere was a might chilly and the hospitality mat was not out for him to stay for coffee.lol

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          #5.4 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:00 AM EDT

          Morning Retired... we better start stock-piling the stuff! Cause no matter how this turns out the trolls will be AGAINST it! lol

          • 1 vote
          #5.5 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:02 AM EDT

          Feisty ~ Which troll repellent do you recommend?

          • 1 vote
          #5.6 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:24 AM EDT

          Anna Molly - Repubican't Repellent - I've found the industrial strength works best!

          If you order now.. they'll throw in a trial size at absolutely NO cost to you! lol

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          #5.7 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:53 AM EDT

          Hopefull they mix yours with sulfuric acid so you'll dissolve like witches in bathwater-LOL. Nothing like trash talking blind supporters.

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          #5.8 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:41 PM EDT
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          I wonder what the republicans would have said about this if a general had made the comment about Iraq and George Bush instead of Afghanistan and Obama? Bet things would have been a lot different, they would have had that poor general strung up and run out of town before sun down.

          In all seriousness folks, I don't care about nation building for Afghanistan, those people have had a very long time to build a different nation, evidently they don't want a different nation, and all I really want is ben Laden, Dead or Alive, remember? That is our mission in Afthanistan. So bomb the heck out of them and get out of there, the UN and pentagon can spend their budget building them a nation if they decide they really want one, until then, I don't have the time or money to invest in that portion of this war. We really never had a mission in Iraq except to ensure the oil companies were taken care of and to get family revenge - not enough for my tax dollars to be spent there. Sure wish I had all that money spent in Iraq back - wonder if we could get the oil companies and Iraq to reimburse us? As a tax payer, I think we should find a way.

          if Mccrystal does not like his boss or want his job I just bet there are quite a few very well qualified generals who do and would. Get over it general, behave yourself, or go home.

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          Reply#6 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:44 AM EDT

          You have, obviously, not been reading the posts.

          Thus far, I have not seen one person on the right post in favor of the general; in fact, I and most of the others have consistently stated that, having violated the UMCJ, he must resign, or be terminated.

          See, I have ONE code of conduct, that goes for people of either party. It is no secret that I think Obama is an abysmal president; that said, as the commander in chief, he cannot have, under his command, a general so cavalier in his remarks to the press as to set off this firestorm.

          Where you are confused is that those on the left would be cheering such behavior if the president were a republican. That is your problem, not mine.

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          #6.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:02 AM EDT

          You're right, no joe, which is why the right will have a hard time making a martyr out of McChrystal. Or, wait ... when did their own previous words stop them?

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          #6.2 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:25 AM EDT

          I believe there was an example of a general making comments to the first President Bush that led to his retirement. General Swartzkopf in the visit to Iraq, Desert Storm. In a press conference made the statement that not continuing the mission and going all the way through Baghdad was a mistake. He took a very public lashing and not long after retired. Hmmmmm, seems he might have been on to something. Perhaps we should pull him out of retirement.

          • 2 votes
          #6.3 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:34 AM EDT

          he also left a unit in the path of the retreating republican guards in the vain hope it would be a massacre, inviting us to go after the offenders, and getting us into Iraq. Fortunately a marine unit wtihdrew the army support unit without orders and saved about 78 troops. We know stormin normin did it, but because we got out, it wasn't publicized.

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          #6.4 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:45 PM EDT
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          Whatever happens, President Obama is going to get hammered again. He just cannot win. He was left with a state of affairs that no matter what he does to try and fix them he going to get hammered. Too much, Too little, Too fast, not fast enough.

          that's right Navy,

          and the comfort I get is that he is able to put the chattering heads out of his mind and focuses on a pragmatic decision. 

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          Reply#7 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:44 AM EDT

          Nick,

          I think he has the mettle to handle it also. One of the problems though is the pundits are going to twist it to fit the talking points of Rush and Glenn and the Republicans. I hope when this does happen he goes after them and exposes the lies that will come, the misrepresntations that will come etc. As long as we keep discussing the facts and issues in a civil manner, people will listen.

          We need to keep thier feet to the fire.

          • 1 vote
          #7.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:01 AM EDT

          Nick-still tooting the clean up GWB's mess horn? Stop already.

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          #7.2 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:11 AM EDT
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          Talk about a preemptive strike! The general hasn't even turned in his resignation and you guys (the media) are already finding his replacement. Why can't we wait on the President's decision? Just askin!

          • 1 vote
          Reply#8 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:45 AM EDT

          Hey, Ron ~ maybe BP stopped the oil leak and it turned into a slow news day.

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          #8.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:31 AM EDT

          it's still suspicious that 2 rigs blew up so closely together, Right After the ok was Very Reluctantly Given to drill.

            #8.2 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:47 PM EDT
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            Obama WON'T FIRE a General

            Too confrontational for him He won't do it What message does THAT send ??

            '...Brent Furer now receives taxpayer money to oversee women's issues for Sen. Vitter. I wish I were kidding, but there's nothing funny about this...'

            '...

            The ABC News report noted, "Those who have had encounters with Furer say his presence on Vitter's payroll raises serious questions about the senator's judgment."...'

            From Washington Monthly:

            '...THE COMPANY VITTER KEEPS.... When looking ahead to this year's most competitive Senate races, most observers tend to overlook Sen. David Vitter's (R) re-election campaign in Louisiana. At first blush, that seems odd -- after all, Vitter ran on a right-wing, "family-values" platform and then got caught with prostitutes. He's also spent the last six years fighting on the wrong side of almost every issue.

            The polls, for now, show Vitter leading anyway. That may soon change.

            For one thing, Vitter has chosen to fight for BP and oil companies, which might not go over well in Louisiana under the circumstances. For another, Vitter has kept Brent Furer on the payroll.

            Who's Brent Furer? He's the Senate aide who allegedly held his ex-girlfriend hostage, "threatening to kill her, placing his hand over her mouth, and cutting her in the hand and neck."

            After drinking at a restaurant, the two returned to Furer's Capitol Hill apartment, the report says. Furer "would not let her leave." He "pulled on her coat, which caused it to rip," then "pulled out a knife and stabbed [her] in the hand," the police report says.

            Charging documents allege that Furer became angry when he found phone numbers for other men in her blackberry. He smashed her phone when she tried to call 911, the records say, and he shoved her to the floor when she tried to leave, then held his hand over her mouth and threw her on a bed.

            Demopoulos told police Furer "uttered the words to her, 'Do you want to get serious.'" Then, the arrest warrant states, Furer "grabbed an unknown object and held it under her neck. The suspect asked the complainant, 'Do you want to die?' The complainant replies and she stated, 'No, I don't want to die.'"

            After a 90 minute standoff, Furer made her promise not to call police, and then allowed her to leave. She fled to a friend's house, and was taken by ambulance to the hospital. A slash on her chin took eight stitches to close, the police report says.

            Brent Furer now receives taxpayer money to oversee women's issues for Sen. Vitter. I wish I were kidding, but there's nothing funny about this.

            Vitter is well aware of Furer's transgressions. Vitter is also well aware of the fact that Furer has been arrested on four other occasions -- three times from DUI, and once for cocaine possession. Indeed, at present, Furer remains wanted on an open warrant in Baton Rouge.

            The ABC News report noted, "Those who have had encounters with Furer say his presence on Vitter's payroll raises serious questions about the senator's judgment."

            You think?...'

              Reply#9 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:56 AM EDT

              Keep him, he is a hero!

                Reply#10 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:56 AM EDT

                Old soldiers never die. They just fade away...

                  Reply#11 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:56 AM EDT

                  MacArthur didn't exactly go quietly, and I have a feeling McChrystal may not, either. For mostly the same reasons.

                  • 1 vote
                  #11.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:27 AM EDT
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                  The General screwed up and should offer his resignation, simple as that. All these offensive comments from both sides of the aisle have nothing to do with the General. The President is the Commander in Chief and deserves the respect of his military whether they agree or not. I'm a retired Army officer and would not have made it critizing those above me in public. I was fortunate that I had Commanders that you could talk with when you didn't agree with policy, most of the time it didn't go my way but I had my say.

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                  Reply#12 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:12 AM EDT

                  Well said ... unfortunate for the troops in his command have to endure this distraction.

                    #12.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:29 AM EDT
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                    When the so called First lady said she was never proud to be an American nobody cared, when Barry's minister, the American hating racist Rev Wright spoke, nobody cared, when Barry buddies up with the Weather underground terrorist, Bill Ayers no one cared.......Barry the chicken Hawk sends 30,000 troops to war then calls in a 4 star because of a magazine article....Yikes.....this country is in big trouble

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                    Reply#13 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:17 AM EDT

                    The First Lady NEVER said that she was never proud to be an American. That's an outright, verifiable, lie.

                    Rev. Wright pi$$d alot of people off, so saying no one cared is asinine. Most people simply refused to get into a guilt by association situation. Except people of your ilk of course!

                    The General has a code of conduct to follow. He broke it. Regardless of what you think, he broke his code of conduct.

                    Whether or not he should be fired; that truly is "above my paygrade"

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                    #13.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:24 AM EDT

                    Greg,

                    You are a Lying fool. The First Lady never said that. Go crawl back under your rock.

                    '

                      #13.2 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:11 PM EDT

                      Greg:My goodness; you have certainly been ruminating over things that did not happen the way you want believe. Please turn off Fox News and read an edifying book.

                        #13.3 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:44 PM EDT

                        Ted, Mid Michigan

                        The First Lady NEVER said that she was never proud to be an American. That's an outright, verifiable, lie.

                        Speaking in Milwaukee, Wisconsin during the campaign, would-be First Lady Michelle Obama said, "for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback."

                        Same day, Michelle Obama on the campaign trail in Madison Wisconsin: "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country, and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change."

                        Sure sounds like Michelle wasn't too proud of her country until her husband started winning primaries.

                        The General has a code of conduct to follow. He broke it. Regardless of what you think, he broke his code of conduct.

                        Please explain what part of the code of conduct did he break Ted? And no hand waving on this one Ted. We want details.

                        You're the liar Ted.

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                        #13.4 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:48 PM EDT
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                        There is an appropriate time, place and method to address your concerns to your boss. Not sure that an article in Rolling Stone is the place or method ... however am guessing that McChrystal did so with informed consent. He is a career military leader and has been around the military conflict block. Anyone who believes either the President or General McCrystal are uninformed about what is going on here is sadly mistaken.

                          Reply#14 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:25 AM EDT

                          stupid is as stupid does. both these men clearly have issues other than the american public. lets see which one of them can put aside their own personal wants and needs and act for the greater good.

                            Reply#15 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:46 AM EDT

                            I submit that the greater good in this case is that by example McCrystal has shown his men that it is okay to criticize and make fun of the administration, the President, the Vice President, et al. and that sends a message to all under his command that his behavior is acceptable. HE SHOULD BE FIRED! Generals are not irreplaceable. The rest of us are fungible, so are they. I am sure there are many who could hold that position. It is time as a country for us to stand up to the disrespect shown to our country, our President, and to the despicable behavior of the tea-baggin' right, the Republican congressional leaders (who even state that they are incompetent - if they are so damn incompetent why are they trying to retain their seats or be a part of the government that they so abhor). It's time for some common sense to enter our discussions, instead of name calling and hatred. They even do it against their own, calling Nikki Haley a "raghead", as well as the President. What a bunch of jerks, McCrystal included. You can't have all chiefs and no cooks and the military industrial complex needs to be put back into their place. They really believe they run the country, as do the arrogant disrespectful lying Republicans who were summarily voted out and with any common sense will be voted down again.

                              #15.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:37 PM EDT
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                              Military persnonnels were the hardest workers in the face of the galaxy. They worked from their hearts through their veins, from souls to fleshy of witnessing deaths right from their very eyes. They sometimes described as spiritually and culturally shaky. They need personal counselling before, during, and after their services. Particularly about General McChrystal's case, he was just too tired of what he went through. Military personnels are like employees in civilian life - everyone needs a vacation or requirred to take a vacation as needed or as suggested -- prior to returning to work or to their posts. No one can replace General McChrystal and he will not be asked to resigned nor can him ask to be resigned. We need this guy to maintain his position while we mandated him taking a desire vacation or we will suggest a vacation for him prior to returning to active duty. Good luck to all respectable military personnels.

                                Reply#16 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:08 PM EDT

                                Just in. BP has removed the cap for some reason and the oil is now gushing unabated into the gulf.

                                  Reply#17 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:14 PM EDT

                                  You are all Morons, They both should go. This General is a morale Killer in Afghanistan, and this POT-US is a moron who took three months to caught the number of troops needed. Biden is an over-smiling, meat head who is no better than Lindsey Lohan trying to grab camera time. Dem=Rep-Ind doesn't matter what party as soon as these fools are elected they think there only job in the Executive office is to get re-elected. Bring back Swartzkoph and let him finish this thing like he should have back in the Early 80S's.

                                    Reply#19 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:19 PM EDT

                                    It must be realized this war is unwinnable. We can't kill all the enemies and we can't worry about any collateral damage, people.

                                    Hence let us not play as though any of us have the answers.

                                      Reply#20 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:20 PM EDT

                                      Of course Barak Hussien Obama is going to fire the General. Why? Because he can. Hussien is a narcissistic, self serving, poor excuse for a president. He no longer has or never did have any respect for the Constitution. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing or should I say a socialist in democrats clothing.. He is telling the people of the United States Of America, The Greatest Country in the world, what kind of healthcare we get and making us pay for it. Also, to top it off we get to pay for illegals too. He is trying to take away or right to bear arms. Wow!! what does he have to do to get us to open our eyes? I say impeach Hussien!! Let's keep the General

                                        Reply#21 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:22 PM EDT

                                        There is absolutely nothing presidential about Obama. He should be removed from office!!!!!

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                                        Reply#22 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:24 PM EDT

                                        Airborne Bob is probably just an nasty "Leg" in a non-combat arms MOS. Leave the comments to the professionals and go scramble some eggs private bob

                                          Reply#23 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:36 PM EDT

                                          I'm with you Bob!

                                            Reply#24 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:36 PM EDT

                                            The arrogance of the Oval Office amazes me. We lost Vietnam when politicians who knew nothing about the military or campaign strategy overrode the decisions of career military officers, and it left over 50,000 Americans dead and scores of thousands physically and emotionally wounded. We repeated some of these same debacles in Bosnia, Somalia, and Iraq -- letting politicians "play war" as we lost more of our young men and women. While I feel sorry for the General and think he is being done wrong, the blueprint clearly was set years ago that the person in the Oval Office or his lackey as the Secretary of Defense have weak egos that can't take any criticism. We saw President "W" go along with his egomaniac SecDef to drive another Army general officer into quick retirement because the general had the audacity to say that more troops than the White House wanted to send were necessary to end the War Against Terrorism within the time frame DOD wanted. Generals should be allowed to lead the military and attempt to achieve the results sound military strategy and objectives and not the media-vetted wishes of politicians and political appointees. Any politician who is so arrogant he or she cannot admit they don't know everything and have all the answers (other than in sound bite and photo ops) needs to be voted out of office, sent home to write their memoirs, and speak on the circuit for $50K a pop.

                                              Reply#25 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:36 PM EDT

                                              Generals are responsible to the CIC. That would be the President.

                                                #25.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:47 PM EDT
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                                                Unless I've missed something, the General nor members of his staff criticized your boy Obama. They criticized the bunch of lackies he's surrounded himself with, including Biden. Get over it!

                                                  Reply#26 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:37 PM EDT
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