This is a failure of congress that is effecting our international standing. We all know the solution but certain congressmen won't take the step. We need to call out congress. There can and is a solution.

Well then. How about we file a brief with 'crosshairs'? Americans should be lined up at the border, rifles in hand, stopping these foreign invaders from entering our country. Funny how his own policies are far worse than anything his so called citizens have experienced here. Watch our traitor in chief defend this foreign nation against his own country. Yep, change you wanted, change you are getting!

You mean this is a better campaign issue than Joe Barton, CU?

They really don't have a clue, do they?

True, that, MB. Dems definitely won't want to talk about this. I wonder if the court will rule that Mexico has standing to sue. From what I know about standing law, I rather doubt it. But we'll see.

"Given the public rhetoric by the Arizona Governor and other state officials," the brief says, "Mexico is rightfully concerned for the civil rights of its citizens in Arizona."

I have a solution Mexico! Keep your "citizens" in Mexico.

Hugo Chavez and Sean Penn need to get in on this.

I would buy a ticket. ;)

Rob99
mexico has the herve to joint the suit, its because there country is in the crapper, they SEND there unskilled, non english speaking, mulit baby having people here to drive our wages down, over load our school systems, hospitals and they are pissed because arizona has choosed to try and do something about it. YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING. mexico need to take care of there own dam business and leave us the he@l alone. Now as a liberal i'm not happy about what arizona did but now i'm starting to agree with it in some ways.
illegally come here and think they have a god given right to break out laws, get fake document, drive wages down and then 90% of the money they make goes back to mexico. oha no i think instead of building a fence, lets just put some tanks on the boarder and dare they to cross.
Please all illegally go the hell back where you came from.

Can we send mexico a bill for supporting 12+ million of THEIR citizens? this is absurd. And, we all know that Mexico's immigration laws are MUCH stricter than the US.

dirt-303814

that the part that pisses me off the most, they don't practice what they preach. there full of crap, they have been draining us for years and this has got to stop, if i were president Obama i would drop the suit right away. i would go to the arizona governer work something out. or get on air force One, go to mexico and have it out with there president.

believe me we don't need mexico they need us.

They do drive wages down and taxes up because Americans hire them, somebody hires these people, and the same anti union right to work for less and less crowd works side by side with them and would not say crap if they had a mouthful. You don't see them scurrying off the union construction sites. The union contractors seem to be able to check and see if somebody is legal. You support cheap labor and little or no regulation on business ,or enforcement of regulations such as prevailing wage laws then you get cheap labor, then someday you are cheap labor. If you do not stop the hiring of illegals, they will find a way in. You want to round up some illegals call a republican roofing contractor.

BTW millions of mexicans did not just cross the border in the 15 months Obama has been president. The republicans had 8 years and would not touch immigration with a ten foot pole. Neither did Clinton for 8 years. Reagan did something in his 8 years he gave millions of illegal Mexicans amnesty. Then we started all over again, to get to the millions we now have but lets be fair they did not all stroll across the border right after the last presidential election.

Mixed Bag

Where are all the First Read regulars?

This is big news, no?

There is only so much punishment a liberal can take in one day. At some point, and the liberals have reached it, they just can't cheerlead for Obama anymore.

Give em' a few more minutes, MB. They're trying to figure out how to connect Bush and evil oil companies to it.

I've got Bush covered, CU, but I'm still working on the oil companies. In the meantime, you could entertain me by telling me all the things Bush did to solve the immigration problem. LoL That would be funny, but also, unfortunately short. I'd better move quickly here. ;)

Kudos, Anna Molly, for showing up...I already KNEW what you were made of.

But where's Eric, Feisty, and everybody else?

Molly. Myself and millions of other Repubs were furious with Bush when he and the congress tried to slide the amnesty bill behind our backs. We called and emailed til we were hoarse. We were successful. But I don't remember Bush ever taking the side of a foreign country against one of our own states.

They're making the popcorn, MB. Butter?

CU ~ Unless you count kissing up (literally) to Saudi Arabia whenever he got the chance. And I believe that Mexico joined OUR suit, not the other way around. Cripes, if people don't calm down here, next thing you know, Arizona will be firing on Fort Sumpter. Now there's some irony, yes?

MB:

I generally don't speak much about immigration issues, mainly because I largely don't care. Arizona has the right to do whatever it wishes, up to and including destroying their state's economy by passing laws that drive some of their citizens away, (not just illegals will flee - look at the Oklahoma example).

What I will say on the issue is pretty simple: if this is what we are going to be as a country, then it's time to take down the Statue of Liberty, because what it says there is not what we are about as a people anymore. If we do, fine. If we don't, oh well. If people need to maintain the idiotic illusion that they 'aren't anti-immigrant, just anti-ILLEGAL immigrant' to keep their self image intact, also fine. This sort of thing has been endemic in our country since its founding. Whether it was the Irish or the Italians or the Asians or the Native Americans whatever, the antipathy that many feel for those who are foreign to them has always been there.

The only thing personally troubling to me is the notion that we are seriously considering un-Americanizing people who were born here. People who were born in America are Americans. That's pretty much one of principles of the nation as far as I am concerned.

So like I said, Arizona can do whatever Arizona wants. I don't live there. If this sort of thing is the atmosphere I would be living in if I did live there, I would probably seriously consider leaving, but I don't consider the issue important enough to demonize the state over.

No one gives a @!$%# about your illusionary dream, you are a first class fool. Example:

We have an expression in Latin America “el vivo vive del bobo.” The sharpie lives off the fool. We believe Americans are naive, too trusting and easily scammed. Nothing demonstrates this to us more than your immigration policies,..." "While legal immigration is one of America’s great strengths, the total lack of seriousness with which your policies are approached is self destructive." And this:

Someone said, "we would welcome them all (illegal aliens), if they would just do it legally". And I ask is this a soft sell for amnesty? Is America just some amusement park and anyone can just buy a ticket to get in and stay. He wanted all the illegal’s to just be legal, and that would just end the whole problem. What! All 20,000,000, and then what about the other 20,000,000, and then 400,000,000, and then 800,000,000. Where would it stop, we've taken away the brakes.

Look folks, our immigration is not based on the applicants needs, but our needs, wants, and desires. We closed Ellis Island long ago, because our goals and needs were met. If we need something from any foreigners we will ask. If we don't invite you, or give you our permission; and you come anyway, we can shoot you for trespassing. Read the sign (it is multilingual), and it says NO TRESPASSING, TRESPASSER'S WILL BE SHOT. I am sorry, but there has to be force to enforce a law. Yea, you right. You there, go back, and stop running so fast I am trying to arrest you. Why won’t they do what I tell them to do?

Pedro 4U

Thanks for the Latin American expression. Great and important comments.

They do drive wages down and taxes up because Americans hire them, somebody hires these people, and the same anti union right to work for less and less crowd works side by side with them and would not say crap if they had a mouthful. You don't see them scurrying off the union construction sites. The union contractors seem to be able to check and see if somebody is legal. You support cheap labor and little or no regulation on business ,or enforcement of regulations such as prevailing wage laws then you get cheap labor, then someday you are cheap labor. If you do not stop the hiring of illegals, they will find a way in. You want to round up some illegals call a republican roofing contractor.

BTW millions of mexicans did not just cross the border in the 15 months Obama has been president. The republicans had 8 years and would not touch immigration with a ten foot pole. Neither did Clinton for 8 years. Reagan did something in his 8 years he gave millions of illegal Mexicans amnesty. Then we started all over again, to get to the millions we now have but lets be fair they did not all stroll across the border right after the last presidential election.

Joanna Smith and CUFarley,

Well liberals for the most part don't want to talk about this issue. I for one don't really care what the Mexican government does or doesn't do. This is about America and a state that overstepped its jurisdication and is being hit on all sides by boycotts. I do feel that the US government should go forward with a lawsuit against Arizona for breaching the constitution's supremacy clause. Immigration is a Federal issue that can only be dealt with by the central government. The democrats with some republican help can put forward a comprehensive immigration bill.

I'm a 3rd generation Mexcian American, born and bred here and yes I do have a copy of my birth certificate. I'm sure all of you wacks would still consider me an anchor baby. For all of the hatred and nonsense you people call out I thought this was yahoo for a second.

For all of those that think a solution for immigration is rounding everyone up or militarizing the border, ever seen a stool with two legs? It doesn't work. Should there be more border patrol yes, should ICE still do its job yes, but until you fine and imprison the corrupt (probably republican) owners of meat packing plants and industries that hire people there will always be an incentive for more people to come.

Why don't you all want to look to solving this problem instead of just throwing around hate and fear? The twelve million or so here now are not going away and I belive a path to legalization (not amnesty) is the way to go.

Should there be more border patrol yes, should ICE still do its job yes, but until you fine and imprison the corrupt (probably republican) owners of meat packing plants and industries that hire people there will always be an incentive for more people to come.

I agree. Nobody has addressed the issue because they get stuck between the pitiful cheap labor they get by with when these people are illegal and the amnesty or some method to make the workers legal.

Forest Grump

Thanks for the response. I guess I came late to the posts on this one. It has died down. I thought I would have dozens of hateful responses by now.

Seriously, though both sides of the aisle and political spectrum need to work together on this issue.

Yes they do and it is a tough one everybody is gonna have to accept some responsibility so it is politically dangerous, and thats why nobody wants to really tackle it because they don't want to take the heat. What is going on now is not fair to the citizens of the US and it is not right to take advantage of people just because they are desparate and you can. To then call it free market capitalism and tell us greed is good is crap.

There is, in fact, a teensy little legal problem with this called "standing." We'll see what the courts do with it, but at the moment, it doesn't seem real likely to fly.

Mexico has "joined" as a friend of the court, meaning, it's not actually a party to the proceedings. This is actually kind of a misleading headline. However, it is quite funny that Mexico thinks it should have any say at all on what goes on within the borders of a U.S. state.

Exactly, BOTH PARTIES.

I'll respond to the story and the right wingers. Obama this and Obama that, and Obama has a bad day and so on. You people are so hung up on Obama failing that you can't stand it. It eats on you everyday to the point that if Obama is successful at anything it is like water being thrown on the wicked witches of the west. You'll curl up and shrivel away. Mexico files a suit and all of a sudden Obama is in trouble, lol. You people slay me. This suit by Mexico only means one thing. That the U.S. Congress should get their rears in gear, Dems and Republicans, and get a proper immigration reform bill passed just as Obama has requested and your man John McCain supported and also recommened before he needed the far right to get him re-elected in the Arizona republican primary.

Got to love watching you folks peering around the corners like senile raggedy old men and women to see if there is anything else you can critcize and throw Obama's way while the drivel runs down your chin. Just let us know if things don't turn out the way you want. We don't want to be around to see you people throw up all over yourselves.

Maybe you're not seeing the big picture. We are looking at a situation where the President Of The USA is allying himself and his admin with a foreign country AGAINST an American state. Republicans can't buy this kind of negative ammo with a million $$$.

CU:

Get off it CU. Americans know that Obama's desire is to reslove an immigration issue that should have been resolved long ago. Something that Bush did not even bother looking over his shoulder at. So Obama thinks the Arizona law may be, he said may be, a form of profiling. Big deal. He also announced sending troops to the border to help with security. The American people know Obama's stance on this issue. Only those far right wing nut jobs as you would put Obama in camp with Mexico against a U.S. State. He'll have much more to say about this and when he does he'll make you look like the idiot that you are. You might as well start thowing up all over yourself now CU. This is not going to be your waterloo for Obama.

CA

Please if Obama could ever make himself be a leader that would impress most of us. He has to actually come out and do something before he can be considered successful. Your party ruled by the left wing progressives only consider proper immigration reform as amnesty and nothing else. There are no provisions to secure the border in good ole Chuckie Schummer's version of new comprehensive immigration reform unlike the one he helped write and then defund in 1986. There is also no securing the border in Gutierrez's Bill or any other the Pelosi-Reid dregs are trying to float. I think it is funny that the President would try to sue a state for voting to enforce federal law. He got a law forced down his throat and now he is gagging on it. Watch how many Dems fall in Nov. and then come back and ask people if things turned out the way they wanted.

With Mexico joining in the suit it just shows how anti-American Obama and the left progressives really are. They can't stand that our country is so successful and that people around the world are clamoring for the privilege to come here. They only want open borders so that cockroaches can infest our country. As for Mexico, they should keep their mouths shut and try to work on the problems within their own country and not try to dictate to us what we should be doing.

LoL CA ... this whole thing is getting so embarrassing. Here we are in the Land of the Free, and the Home of the Braves (or, no -- that's just Atlanta), but anyway, here we are setting up a situation where one of our states is sued by a neighboring country for violating its citizens' civil rights. That's SO 19th Century. And meanwhile, drug dealers travel pretty much unfettered back and forth across the borders, but innocent people who want to shop at Wal-mart to buy some cheaply priced domestically made (their domecile, not ours) products to take back home will now have to fear being rounded up and -- what? -- waterboarded? Well, it's probably worth it to them. Always low prices, you know. This is starting to sound like a Saturday Night Live sketch starring John McCain that trails off awkwardly at the end. How on earth will we ever fix this?

As to that, Congress get its rear in gear? Oxymoron, much, CA, with emphasis on "morons."

Now, as to these "senile raggedy old men and women," present company excepted, of course. ;)

There we go. Bush Bush Bush. Looking over his shoulder? Whatever. Bush tried to pass an amnesty bill and was almost as bad as Obama. You're right. The American people know that Obama's stance is similar to Bush's: AMNESTY and OPEN BORDERS. And the American people aren't gonna have that. Obama may very well figure out a way to spin this but he'll piss off the MX government and the "Latino vote". When you belong to a party that divides everyone up into race/sex/ethnicity, and makes concessions and promises accordingly, that could be a problem for him.

Maybe the good ole US should backoff and let the Mexican Government proceed with the lawsuit.

Yes Americans do know Obie's stance on immigration. Open Borders, more illegals, make them legal overnight, equals more democrats. Once that is done, there will be no need to secure the borders since the illegal immigrants numbers will be zero.

CU ~ If Arizona doesn't like it, maybe Arizona should secede, and THEN see how it all works out without ANY federal government support. One is the loneliest number ...

CA, you are wrong on Bush and immigration. He DID propose a plan, that included amnesty, and the Dems shot it down.

Actually the Republicans shot it down, dirt, even McCain was for it before he was against it, which is what got him labeled a Maverick. It happened before Dems took control of congress.

Careful Cody. Remember, to the lefties, AZ is the bad guy in all this. The lefties are likely....no...certain to side with the MX government and Obama.

Cody-1911433

i'm a lefty and i say send a bill for the hospitaltion, schools, for there illeagally. also a bill for us to have to build the fence, we want our money back clinton gave then (20 billion) so they would not run on our boarders, hey guess what it didn't work. archie bunker had a real good idea, lets just attack then, there always sleeping any way.

If it does then the businesses that hire them and people that harbor them should be liable as well.

no joe, no bo, nj

can you believe this, barack needs to tell then to go to he@l. mexico is not a world power, the only thing they power the world with is babys that are born here in the US because there health care is in the stone age. the suit says that they spend so much money here, that bull crap, because if they spent that kind of money here they why does 90% of the wages they make here go back to mexico.

there argument that they spend so much is flawed, i bet between all there citizens they don't that much to spend in mexico let along here in arizona.

like i said early, mexican illegally go back they he@l where you came from.

NO

CU ~ You know better than that. We're not siding with Mexico. Mexico, if anything, is siding with us. And I'll take President Obama anytime over an Arizona governor who signed the bill, but, when asked, could not say how one could identify an illegal alien just by looking at them. Exhibit A at the trial.

Oh my, Anna Molly-

"We're not siding with Mexico. Mexico, if anything, is siding with us."

That argument leaves me speechless...

As you know...that doesn't happen too often.

Innovative approach, though...

LoL Left you speechless, indeed. Five lines' worth. But I've done that before, and somehow, eventually, you always manage to find your voice. Tomorrow's another day, MB.

Calderon would not even dare something this stupid if he did not feel he had the correct "climate" or, at the least, an informal blessing from Washington. If Obama is smart, he would do what you said...But like I said, why would MX feel comfortable doing this?

Living in LA

I feel that the President sided with Mexico when he asked the DOJ to file a lawsuit against the state of Arizona. I feel he sided with Mexico when he said he was for his brand of Comprehensive Immigration reform (amnesty). I feel he sided with Mexico when he let that weasel stand up in those press conferences and put down the U.S and the people here and didn't bother to say anything to Calderon about it.

I don't know where you come from, but when you stand beside another man and let him do and say what ever he wants and then support him through your own actions that you have definitely sided with him and Obama has sided with Mexico.

Good thoughts, Living. However, a problem here is that Obama's suing AZ, too, instead of seeing that the current laws are enforced. It gives the impression he is "siding" with Mexico to some.

Michael,

The filing of the lawsuit is not yet completed, and while I disagree wholeheartedly with the President as to whether or not one should even be contemplated, that does not make his position on the side of Mexico. I'm willing to believe that these issues are of honest concern to him, even though I disagree with that opinion. I think the incident that you are speaking of regarding press conferences is actually the address to Congress on May 20. President Calderon was invited to speak, and spoke on the topic of the Arizona law. That was beyond inappropriate, and it was completely incomprehensible to me, that any members of Congress would applaud his comments, especially within the confines of Congress. I don't think that President Obama was at that address, but I could be wrong on that score. I'm from California, Los Angeles to be specific, and we've got the same problem as Arizona. Unfortunately, from my perspective, we seem to be overly concerned with the feelings of the illegals here, not the feelings of the citizens.

Michael Lockwood...WTG, at least you came up with the things I was thinking....I am just sick that "our leaders in government" (I didn't mention Republican or Democrats) don't stand up for our country and we need to take a hard look at what their agenda is all about.....When Calderone went to the White House and was welcomed even after he put down this country, "our leaders" shook his hand and said nothing to defend us. What makes us think we will be defended on this law suit? I really believe if Congress doesn't start doing something about the illegal immigration problem, US citizens are going to revolt. My son lives in Arizona and said many are already starting groups that are going to fight all the way....he stated the groups are saying it is defending the USA, but they won't have backing from the US and they will be the ones in trouble....but there is alot of unrest in Phoenix and it is just going to get worse.....

There is no way Obama will back off when his Secretary of the Department of Labor has a public service announcement (paid with your tax dollars) instructing undocumented workers that are not being paid minimum wage by their employers to call their toll free number for equal protection.

Wow, the DOL upholding labor laws for people who are not supposed to be working.

It is one of the few ways you can punish the fine upstanding American that knowingly hires illegals and pays them like slaves. Jail a few of the people that hire illegals, that will have to be part of a solution.

Thanks Andrew - we must have been typing at the same time. :)

np, but I am no lawyer, so any real lawyers should take a stab. I think you're right in that filing an amicus brief is like inputing your two cents on a 3rd party issue.

Andrew, the issue again is ILLEGAL aliens. To me, they broke the law to get here. They have no place to demand any kind of rights!

amicus curiae n. Latin for "friend of the court," a party or an organization interested in an issue which files a brief or participates in the argument in a case in which that party or organization is not one of the litigants. For example, the American Civil Liberties Union often files briefs on behalf of a party who contends his constitutional rights have been violated, even though the claimant has his own attorney. Friends of the Earth or the Sierra Club may file a supporting brief in an environmental action in which they are not actually parties. Usually the court must give permission for the brief to be filed and arguments may only be made with the agreement of the party the amicus curiae is supporting, and that argument comes out of the time allowed for that party's presentation to the court.

It isn't the same thing as joining in the suit. If the judge found against the law, the judgment would be on behalf of the Federal government, not the nation of Mexico.

Just one more time Mexico can impact our country, our citizens without having to pay!

-shrug-

It's an Amicus Brief. I kind of doubt that it will have much, if any, impact on what is essentially a jurisdictional dispute between the Federal Government and a state government.

The federal government has not filed a lawsuit against Arizona on the immigration bill; this is not the federal government's lawsuit.

Thanks Michael.....

and Dirt....they are presenting their opinion on the issue. That's all it is. An opinion. Read Michael's explanation. It seems to me that it's really not that big a deal.

Oh, yeah. You're right. So basically, what that means is that Mexico has completed an Amicus Brief for the lawsuit brought by civil liberties organizations and so forth. I'm not sure how that morphs into Obama supporting Mexico since the Federal Government has basically nothing to do with that particular lawsuit, but the court might find the brief more informational for this lawsuit rather than the jurisdictional one that Holder is going to bring.

At least with this lawsuit, Mexico's brief might include SOME relevant information.

It has nothing to do with Obama supporting Mexico's involvement in a lawsuit against Arizona. I don't know why First Read put this story up, because the headline is so very misleading and sensationalistic. Ugh.

newdayDAWNING-

Although I'm not crazy about the State of Arizona having to pass its own statute ensuring that someone (anyone!) does the job the federal government refuses to do in defending the sovereignty of the United States along its southern border...I don't see where President Obama, AG Eric Holder, and the government of Mexico should be teaming up to launch a legal attack on Arizona.

Do you?

Really?

As for the purely legal issues involved...I'm prepared to accept what will surely be an eventual U.S. Supreme Court ruling on the subject...

Are you?

Why not?

Are courts somehow no longer the proper arena to resolve Constitutional disputes?

Thanks for making my point again, Mixed Bag. You exactly show what the "tea baggers" cannot understand about this. This is not a "legal attack" against Arizona. This will be a judicial review about a law that may or may not stand up to Constitutional muster. I am completely prepared to accept a court's ruling on this. That is why the suit must be filed, there are Constitutional questions at large. To Wit: is Arizona assuming duties reserved to the Federal Govt? Whatever you feel about illegal immigration, and keeping in mind that I am a native San Diegan, so I know the problems, there are clear duties reserved to the Fed, this being amongst them. Now, if you want to make an argument that the Feds have not done their job, I would agree with you as long as your argument is that this has not been done by any President. It has nothing to do with Obama. But fair is fair; the facts are that crime is down along the borders not up.

Exactly.

It's a jurisdictional dispute. No matter what party was in power, the Federal government would be filing suit in this instance. And I am not entirely sure, if the argument is framed properly, that it will be quite the slam dunk you believe it will be, MB. This suit isn't about whether the SC is for or against illegal immigration or anything the populace is squabbling about. It's about whether the state had the jurisdiction to pass and enforce this law.

Newday....I know that state government can be different the the federal government, I live in California and the people voted to legalize pot for medical purposes. That is against Federal law, but it was voted in and it is being observed.....maybe this should be taken up for a vote by the Arizona, California and Texas citizens and see how they feel....if we vote to uphold Arizonas new ruling and their rights.....than so be it....I would vote for it in a minute.....I don't believe in ratial profiling, however, I do believe that my taxes come out of every check (over a 1/3) for things like this and it makes me sick.....I work hard for my money and I hate giving it away so someone can come here and get rights that are not intended for them....use my tax dollars for US citizens that need it....not one that come over illegally....again, that makes me sick!!!!

Michael Thompson, Charlotte, NC-

You're missing the big picture, Michael.

Win or lose...the federal government will finally be forced to address the issue of border security. If that's the case, I really don't care one way or the other.

Defined in those terms, it's win-win, whatever the Supremes decide...and you know it.

Either way, I don't see the DNC raising the decision of the Mexican government in a mid-term election campaign spot.

Well, if the court case drives policy-making decisions on this issue, I won't be averse to that. In the larger sense, we would still have to figure out if there is any feasible way to forcibly deport 16 million people or whether some alternative solution will have to be explored. That is essentially the major wedge point and I haven't heard a viable solution for it from anyone.

Michael-

We agree on little, if anything. And, I don't relish the prospect of deporting millions of people.

So...how about sealing the border, and then agreeing to have a rational discussion about everything else afterwards?

I have no problem with sealing the border. I just think it's a galactically bad idea to make people born in the United States 'un-Americans,' when that has never been the way our nation operates and seems to fly in the face of some of the basic principles of the country.

linna lou : I understand your frustration, and I know what has happened to hospitals and schools close to the border in San Diego. However, it is not a matter to vote on, this is a Constitutional issue regarding the prerogatives of the Federal Govt. vs those reserved to the state. Michael has it exactly right..no matter who is President, no matter what party that President represented, this lawsuit would be filed. Let's just look at implementing this law: I travel to Europe, and have family there. It is a given that you always carry your passport no matter what country you are in. What do we do here? Do all people traveling in Arizona carry a National ID card, or a passport, will all people be checked for the proper papers when making "contact" with a police officer, or will that be reserved to our Hispanic brethren only? If you have a dark complexion, and you travel in Arizona, do you need to be prepared to prove that you are a citizen? Is it all right if one state requires proper papers? It smacks a little of Hitler's Germany, doesn't it? This law is vague, which is going to cause problems. It will also be a nightmare for police since they could get sued for making that request for papers or not making it. Why do we want to put police in that difficulty?

Newday....lots of good information, and I agree no ratial profiling, and I do see this becoming a problem for our police source in Arizona, but I have also read on other seeds on Newsvine where Hispanic people were for the law and stated they wouldn't mind showing their papers. I have a drivers license and if I get stopped for doing something wrong I have to show it, if I get stopped because of ratial profiling that is wrong...it is really concerning for all sides, but something has to be done....wouldn't you agree? I have never been one to look at someone and judge then for what they look like, heaven knows, I don't have room to talk, but, illegal immigrants are breaking the law and we need to come up with solutions.....Arizona came up with something - not everyone agrees, but maybe it had to go to the extreme to come back to the middle. I really don't think this is what will be the law of the land and hopefully our federal government will come up with something to ensure our citizens that our country is for its citizen and if you want to be a citizen...come on aboard...but do it legally. Do it as our fore-fathers did it and pledge to uphold our laws.

The one poll that I am aware of ( and there could be more) that was done of Hispanics in Arizona was commissioned by La Raza, and found that there is no support for this law, and that Hispanics are concerned that they will be targeted. But, it doesn't matter what support there is out there for this law by the public at large...it is a legitimate matter for judicial review, and that is where the answer will come from. As far as what we do to protect the border? It has been ignored for generations simply because there was money to be made with cheap labor. I live in a farming area, we used to have an influx of migrant workers every summer to work the fields, but all that has changed with farming methods. I recently read a paper done by a prof in CA, and I am going to have to find it, but much to lazy to do it tonight. He posits that there will be less intrusion into the States from Mexico, because the ability of citizens there to support themselves is better. Also, women are becoming more educated, using birth control, so they are both able to work to support their families, and have smaller families to support. Some of this is going to be taken care of due to the evolution of Mexico. As to the rest of it? If we truly want to seal up the border, you start by making it impossible for companies to hire illegals, and make it punitive enough financially that they no longer take the risk. That reduces the incentive to come. I imagine there are ways to increase border patrols as well. But no law as vague as this one is going to solve the problem. Unless you really believe that EVERYONE is going to be asked for papers, then some form of racial profiling is going to happen. And I imagine when demand for papers is made of legitimate citizens, the support for this bill will die. That is why Lincoln said when you have a bad law, enforce it to the hilt. That is how it will quickly change.

Go back to Mexico where you belong with all your crime and filth.

Rahm always says "never let a good crisis go to waste!"

That's just more popcorn for us, MB.

lay off the koolaid, Andrew. How on earth can you say that another country has a right to object to what AZ is doing? If that's true, then let's let Iran start bossing us around, too, in regard to our states' rights.

Do you honestly believe this is the first time a foreign government has ever been represented in a U.S. court in opposition to something a U.S. state has done?

Seriously?

Michael:

Name an instance.

Usually it has to do with whether the state has jurisdiction to implement a criminal sentence against a foreign national. What usually arises is representation of the foreign nation's interest in the case and is usually decided, as this will be, in federal court. There are a number of death penalty cases dealing with foreign nationals in which foreign nations filed briefs in the cases and were decided in federal court:

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/taxonomy/term/36

Other occasions it might arise have to do with commerce clauses. Most of the cases in which it happens are extremely dry and boring and are, again, usually decided on the federal level.

Finally, the other type of case which is much less comon has to do with the behavior citizens of the United States during wartime activities:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=000&invol=03-334