You can not be an effective leader if your back is against the wall and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. After all, you are black.

Boohoohoo. Take your sob story, "woe-is-me-and the president" crap to someone who cares. Oh wait, you are already there. This post will probably be followed by more "they disagree with the prez cuz he's black" crap. Pathetic. I knew this was going to happen if he was elected. R-Ever occur to you (and the others here),the judge may have LEGAL reasons for making this decision? Probably not.

CU Farley I knew this was going to happen if he was elected.

You seem to be the great prognosticator--look can you do me just a little favor??? There's this thing called Lotto and I just need to know 6 little numbers in advance of the next drawing. Can you ... ya know ...just pass along those digits...tks.

CU Farley... what does "take our" country back mean? Muslim, socialist, elitists,marxist, radical, gangster, birthers, tea bagger, militias, 2nd amendment freaks etc.. come from? Why SO much hatred for him in 1 year than ANY other President including war criminal Bush{ Iraq } with all the major accomplishments he's made and making despite constant stonewalling from the right? Why did the right say "NO MATTER WHAT HE OFFERS OUR VOTE IS NO" ? None of this is because he's Black right and there are NO racists in the USA right? Admit the truth for once....

CU Farley. Why not take your posts to a site that cares what you think like Fox and friends; they'll think you're wise and great, the "Owl who was God". Sooner or later hatred consumes and sooner or later you will ugly yourselves to death.

Tunde

the president needs to step down... not because of anything he has done wrong, but the fact that his judgement will always be undermined - again,.........................., but simply who he is.

Obama, a Harvard attorney with no management experience, hires a Harvard attorney with no management experience to manage MMS. (Subsequently has replaced her for poor management with another Harvard attorney with NO MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE). Under Obama/Birnbaum, the April inspection of the Deepwater Horizon rig is conducted by a trainee with 4 months experience. Obama's MMS under Birnbaum waives the 15,000 psi pressure test of the BOP which subsequently explodes - oil spill.

Obama's solution, form a committee of academia and technocrats who have no actual experience led by Obama's "NOBEL" Secretary Stephen Chu. Chu may be the world's foremost authority on trapping atoms with lasers, but he a physicist, not an engineer, or even biologist. The man Obama puts in charge knows less about a BOP than the average rig worker and less about sensitive marshlands than a Louisiana shrimp boat captain.

Obama does not even once talk to the man in charge of stopping the leak. If he had, maybe he could have removed the idiot 2 months before the idiots at BP did. Instead Obama forms a committee to figure out "who's asz to kick".

Yet he lets BP handle everything. He does a trip, rolls his sleeves up and looks a few tar balls. He ridicules and excoriates BP. He says BP has lied. Yet he lets BP, the company with 760 safety violations over the last 5 years (yet Obama gave them the safety award last year and they were a finalist for this year's award!) , the company that nothing they have done has worked, handle everything. Now Obama doesn't even mention plugging the hole.

Over twenty countries have offered help. Norway offered 1/3 of all their resources, Sweden offered ships that skim 15,000 gal. an hour, the Dutch have offered enough resources to clean the mess in 4 months alone. The Japanese have offered deepwater boons we didn't have. On and On and On... and meanwhile Obama cannot keep the little skimming barges going while they are tied up waiting for his Coast Guard to count their life preservers and fire extinguishers.

Obama's lone accomplishment was to get BP to put a fund to do what they spent 50 million saying they would do. Give Obama another Nobel.

Obama's moratorium was based on a report from Salazar recommending the moratorium and referenced that it had been peer reviewed by 7 experts from the National Academy of Engineering. Obama stated last week that the moratorium was to protect lives of workers and the environment. Funny part however, the 7 experts never saw the last two paragraphs (added after they had signed off) that recommended shutting down. In fact, they were against shutting down because shutting down and restarting is MORE DANGEROUS than leaving them in production. Now Obama is even ignoring his own experts and intentionally risking more Horizons.

Yea, I agree. He needs to step down, but he won't. Not as long as he has his disciples with their Bush meme.

bob-1805084

Some interesting points I have considered myself and then a lot of "I hate Obama" crap...But that's typical around here.

The ban on drilling new wells was a smart thing to do and I hope that it gets put in place. I'm really appalled that the judge said it was going to wreck economies and cause a drop in energy resources. I'm much more interested in making sure the drilling is done right. I live in a gulf state and I think the oil industry has too much power and is completely unconcerned about the destruction of wildlife or even people.

That Obama needs to SHUT THE F UP. I am soooo tired of his getting involved with issues WITH WHICH HE KNOWS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

I support the people in the Gulf and THEY WANT THE DRILLING TO CONTINUE. Their PAYCHECKS DEPEND on it.

That is all I need to know and apparently all that the Judge needs to know.

By the way Obama and Holder, where is your court challenge against AZ's law? IN THE TOILET?

That Obama?

Tell me Karen is that like 'those' people?

Another Beckerhead who swerved out of their lane.. lol

Karen ~ I do SO love elegant commentary. And thank you for sharing those sentiments.

Question for you -- how many rigs are there in the Gulf, and how many would be affected by the moratorium? And what measures, if any, have the oil companies taken to ensure the safety of those rigs?

Just curious. Do you know?

And where is it written that people have a RIGHT to drill at all costs, no matter how much danger it poses to others? Is that in the Bible, do you think? Because if it is, then I want to dig a quarry next door to you that will make hundreds of decibels of noise, kick up cubic cubits of pollution into the air, destroy the habitat of various forms of wildlife, and pass right under your house. Cause I think I can make a living doing it. But I promise you it will be safe. Any problems with that?

CU Farley and bob-1805084,

I'm sorry to have injected race into it... didn't intend to, but spoke out of frustration that nothing the president does seems to be fine and that was the only justification I had in my mind (at the time)... now with a calmer head; I'll now argue rationally:

I didn't like much of bush's policies, and maybe I had my blinders on, but I don't remember this much vitriol against the president.... much of the republicans don't only dislike the president policies, but it seems like they detest him and think he shouldn't be where he is - they haven't really substantiated their dislike for him - they seem to always throw out common right wing talking points.

The moratorium sounded like a good idea, at least until we know what went wrong and how we can make sure it wont happen again - a 6 month moratorium at that - not a life time ban.

bob-1805084,

Interesting "facts". Can you cite any sources for the numbers you gave about foreign countries' offers to help with the oil spill?

This judge has stock in Transocean and a few other companies. You didn't expect that they respect the President's authority did you?

Bingo, Bill. Reagan.

This is almost unconscionable. Notwithstanding the indisputable evidence of his eyes, Judge Feldman decided that the potential harm to the economy from a temporary delay in operating 33 out of 1000 wells in the Gulf outweighs the potential for damage from another catastrophic failure. One failure alone has already devastated the entire Gulf Coast economy, not to imagine ecology. Imagine what two would do.

Go ahead, righties ... tell me how that computes.

Well AM, it computes like this. The oil companies shower the local politicians and judiciary with money and lavish gifts. That money then buys the loyalty of those that are willing to prostitute themselves and sell out the citizens of the area for that all powerful cash. All Judge Feldman can see is the end of his gravy train. What matter to him personally if some birds and a bunch of shrimp die off. As for those wetlands, if ya can't build a house or a shopping center, what good are that?

I say we require that Judge Feldman take every vacation for the rest of his life right there in the Gulf areas most affected by the leak. He can swim in the Gulf and try to navigate around the tarballs, oil plumes, and floating carcasses of the decimated wildlife and THEN tell me about his definition of irreparable harm.

What you said, Disgusted ... and a half.

Anna Molly: Love the way lawyers think. I bet you could present a compelling argument in the Court of Appeals.

BTW; Were there some heavy storms and tornados in your neck of the woods?

Oh, THIS is funny. The judge ruled that there was no evidence of imminent danger if drilling continued in the other wells. Duh, that's exactly what they wanted the moratorium FOR -- to find out if there is imminent danger and prevent another disaster. So now the drilling will continue, unless blocked by an appeals court, and no one will know, until another well blows, whether there was imminent danger or not.

Does Catch 22 apply here?

VERY heavy, Ron, with tornadoes and everything, including one down the road a few miles where the sirens didn't blow. VERY bad, and with flooding in the mix. But not in my specific neighborhood, thank heaven. Here it only rained like Noah's flood, but for more like 40 minutes than 40 days. And thanks for asking.

Disgusted-in-PA

GD right, Disgusted! They're a bunch of whores and they're destroying the gulf and killing people as a result of their greed.

Steve,

Only 30+ wells are effected, the other 1,000+ are ok to drill.

...and don't forget how his own cheerleaders and fans are starting to turn on him: KeithO and Tingle-leg.

And also don't forget how much the right has accomplished....NOTHING!!!

That is not a defeat for the Obama Administration, you people are beyond Ignorant. He is still the POTUS no matter what names you call him, you pay his $400,000 a year salary, he lives in the WHITE HOUSE, and it is killing you because you say dumb @!$%# like that. This not hurting him, the people in the Gulf is the ones in the Oil you dummy!

JoAnna,

For all your ballywhooing yesterday you never answered any of my serious questions. And I ask again:

Have your taxes increased?

How has "over-regulation" negatively affected you?

How has "Over-Government" (whatever that means) negatively affected you?

I'd like to know your positions on same sex marriage, a womans right to choose, and the Terry Schaivo (sp)

Do you also feel that gays are "over governed?" Do you feel that women requesting abortions are "over-governed?

Ted,

I hate to disappoint you man, but there is no way in hell JoAnna will ever respond to you. The reason is that Glenda and Rushball have no interest in your questions, therefore, they will never provide JoAnna with a response. As such, JoAnna will not be able to respond to you in this lifetime...

JoAnna,

C'mon, lady!

These are EASY questions.

Touche!

Ted, Mid Michigan

JoAnna,

C'mon, lady!

These are EASY questions.

Wow, I sure have gotten inside you two losers heads. You seem to have a lot of questions. Seeing none of the qustions are on the topic being discussed, how about you put your answers out to those questions first, then we'll see what we can do for you.

In other words, you need help to answer.

JoAnna,

I am really disappointed in you. You are so devoid of answers that you cannot offer even one or two to keep us entertained? Did you call into the Glenda show and he screamed at you again to "get off my phone you little pinhead?" Don't take it personal. Glenda gets that way once in a while when people don't take his delusions as seriously as he thinks they should. He will take your call again someday.

In the meantime, we have answered many questions. In fact, we tend to deal more in answers than in questions. See, when you actually know something, you can ANSWER a question as well as ask them. Ted gave you some really softball questions. Much like Faux News likes to throw out at Caribou Barbie and Company. I am sure that if you took a few hours and REALLY thought HARD, you could come up with an answer or maybe even two. Of course, us regulars would miss you for a few days as you desperately tried to recover from such a herculean effort, but we would eagerly welcome you back!

Ted, Mid Michigan

JoAnna,

C'mon, lady!

So Disgusted and Ted, what ever happened to that Hopey and Changey thing you all had going on back in 2009? I remember your type well, all happy and shouting how you and Obama were going to change the world, lower the levels of the seas, make everyone happy, and sing Kumbaya. So what happened to all that? Now people like yourselves are all angry, disappointed, pointing fingers of blame, finding less and less people that agree with you. And the anger. Oh, the anger. Looks like Obama, and yourselves, met reality. Hope and Change and Yes we Can doesn't get you far. You and your celebrity President are finding out life is not fair. Last year all of your type wanted to talk about was Obama. This year, Obama is the last thing you want to talk about. Disgusted and Ted, we all know you hurt about Obama's failures, we feel your pain.

JoAnna PolyAnna is just a repug idiot. Of course she wants the questions first so she can find the answer on FOX. OOOOOPPPPPS. Let's see. Didn't we send somebody else a list of questions and the responses were I do not know, remember. Must be genetic.

Sorry, she wants the answers

I'll play!

I received a tax break along with most other American's

I feel that most of the problems we have faced were caused by stripped down regulations. So over regulation has NOT negatively affected me.

I have no idea what "over-governed" means. that's your term.

Same sex couples should be afforded every right of mariage. this nation was founded as a safe haven from religious persecution. Denying same sex partners mariage rights, based on the conservative view of family values is simply not right. you can NOT legislate your religious beliefs onto others.

Although I don't support the practice of abortion, I beleive that arguments banning abortion are based in religious principals. And, again, you can not legislate your religious view of the world. In addition, this land was created on a basis of personal freedoms. Denying a personal freedom seems to fly in the face of the ideal that is America.

Terry Shaivo never should have had a judge get between her and her husband.

To close, I'll bet that same sex couples, women requesting abortions, and Terry Shaivo husband felt "over-governed"

Now it's your turn JoAnna!

I propose we ignore the professional irritator... In case you missed it this is what she enjoys in her 'spare' time...

JoAnna Smith

I know, it's like being cruel to a dumb animal. But we all have our guilty pleasures.

___________________

Thanks for sharing JoAnna that little tidbit tells me all I need to know about you...

Come to think of it... didn't Jeffrey Dahmer start out by being cruel to dumb animals? My my...

Kumbaya -- Darn. I KNEW we forgot something -- that's what went wrong. Not the depression caused by Wall Street greed and the Bush administration's failed economic policies; not and the ever-growing, off-the-books debt; not the mess in Iraq and Afghanistan caused largely by the Bush administration's years of neglect; not the intransigence of the Party of No, who wasted a whole year of THE PEOPLE'S time blocking health care reform and climate change legislation; not the silly and ignorant Tea-partiers who want to implement their Second Amendment solutions and send all liberals to concentration camps -- or worse -- and not the arrogant and criminal conduct of corporations like BP, aided and abetted by Dick Cheney et al.

Nope. We forgot to sing Kumbaya. Huh. Who knew?

But you're right about one thing, JoAnna. I'm angry, and I don't agree with Obama on everything, but -- and it's a big but -- I haven't forgotten how we got here, and I know where the anger should be directed. And so should you.

Joanna

Are you on drugs? Influence elections, how about GWB and the rigged election machines, republican telling voters they didn't have any place to vote. Do you actually think that restarting drilling right now, while that thing is still spewing according documents by BP, up to 100000 gallons a day is a good idea?

Philip,

I know it is tempting, but you really need to stop asking poor little JoAnna questions or ask her to consider ideas. It will overwhelm her poor little brain to the point where not even Glenda can reach her to feed her the answers she lacks on her own. If that happens, the poor dear might have to depend on guberment to support her and buy her the diapers she would need to wipe the drool off her chin...

LDBean I agree. what a bunch of $h!t heads. Maybe BP shouldn't pay them anything. let them live in the mess caused by the leak.

Drill, Spill and send New Orleans the bill.

Really Steve? I thought that if you go against the will of the majority of people and the Constitution that they make you go out in public wearing those cute little hats with tea bags hanging from them. Or that you have to quit your job as Governor halfway through your first term. Huh...

Yea Really..

Passing the buck always helps...??? NOT... Stick to the issue... It's this administration not making the right decisions and not taking blame but always blaming everyone else... Anyone want a beer????

I would love one. but please i dont want one of those Politically correct beers that only has 64 Calories..

Still Waiting,

What is the right decision? Was it to invade Iraq when they had no WMD and Saddam was not aiding Al Qaeda? Was it to pull out of Afghanistan just as we had those responsible for 9/11 pinned and on the run? Was it to load the MMS with a bunch of hacks and then to cripple the laws designed to regulate and enforce safety on deep water oil rigs? Just what is it you people would have President Obama decide to do?

I mean, I know that GWB was the Great Decider and all, but just what do we have to show for all of HIS decisions? Oh yeah, that's right. A trillion dollar plus deficit that was created from a surplus HE was handed within only 8 years. Talk about spending like a bunch of drunken sailors.

You are all upset that you are no longer in control of the levers of power and no longer have your buddies in charge of the printing presses that made you all so much money for 8 years. It is killing you that we now have a President that gives a damn about the American people and is not beholden to your special interests or corporate oligarchs.

Oh, and who is it that Obama is so busy blaming for this mess? Yeah, I remember. BP (the company that owns the rig and was responsible for most of the questionable decisions leading up to the explosion), and Bush/Cheney for having created the lax regulatory environment and for getting way too cozy with the industry they made their fortunes from. Why is that a problem? Does the truth hurt? Who else is Obama blaming?

Do I think Obama could have done some things better? Sure. But, I know he is doing everything that CAN be done and has the best minds in both the public AND private sectors together to attempt to resolve the issue. He is not spending ANY time blaming anyone. The blame is already there and being spread like wildfire by the media. The fact that you all attribute this to the President you so obviously hate is rather telling.

This isnt about BUsh disgusted. this is aabout the Failure in Chief Oblamer. I know that is the same old Liberal Hate America MAntra to try and Deflect all Critisms away from your God and Savior Oblamer but its Old. Most people see thru it now. Most of the people that Oblamer won over in 2008 elections he has lost. Get over it.. OBlamer is INCOMPETANT. and since i am not a White American it is not possible for me to hate. YOUR RACISM is showing thru

Steve,

What has ANY conservative done FOR the greater good of the american people since 1/20/2009

Anything? Anything at all?

I'll go find some things and bring 'em to ya, Teddy. ~ Your pal, Sarah P.

Exposed Liberals for what you are.. the most prosperous times in america were during Republican Administrations. simple. All LIberals have done is try and Create a Nanny State where everything they want is provided for them..

Steve,

It is not really about Bush until people disrespect the President and accuse him of not making the right decisions, calling him incompetent without bothering to cite valid examples, and accusing the President of blaming "everyone". I reiterate my challenge in the above post. Please delineate for us exactly what decisions SHOULD be made right now. Please be specific. Also, since you are all so critical of everything the President does, while defending the actions of the prior administration, I think it IS appropriate to compare.

I can provide specific examples (and already did in my previous post as a matter of fact) as to how and why I feel that the criticisms of Bush/Cheney are valid and appropriate. I do not go off half cocked making wild accusations and casting unsubstantiated aspersions at the Commander In Chief. I make no secret of my disdain for Bush/Cheney and while I am not an Obama cheerleader per se (I do not agree with everything he has done so far), I am willing and able to back up my disdain with reasons that I believe justify my opinions and perception of the Bush Administration.

Now, this is America and I support your right to spew whatever anti-Obama rhetoric you feel justified in spewing. All I ask is that you be willing and ABLE to back it up with something a bit more substantial than "I heard it on Beck" or "Rush was saying it's true!". Come at me with something a bit more meaty that we can actually debate and discuss intelligently. If you are unwilling or unable to do that, do us all a favor and just sit there quietly in your Rush-induced stupor and let those of us that ARE willing AND able to have a reasoned debate do so.

Disgusted, Stop drinking the Koolaid and admit that your God and Savior Obama is not what he promised.. Most poeple that voted for him already have..

So Steve,

Couldn't even come up with one policy? Not one seriously debated proposal?!?

What?!?!?! What have they been doing for the last two years?

...Nothing of value to anyone. Thanks for playing!

Steve,

Is it really that painful for you to actually read a post and process a lucid thought? If not, perhaps you could go back to my last post and make another effort at responding with something remotely resembling logic and intelligent thought and address the topic.

Gee Steve, I thought things were pretty good under Clinton. Did you forget about the prosperous 90's? Oh yeah, since ALL Americans were doing well, that does not constitute prosperous times...

there is no reason to try and Debate you liberals you have your simple minds made up already. If the last 18 months are not enough for you to wake up and smell the coffee there is no reason to try and Argue anymore.. Any thing that i bring up you will just attack as Bush Mistakes..this is the NOW, there is no reason to live in the past. let it go and start assesing the preformace of this Failed Administration..

What you speak is what FOX speaks--every word you speak, every phrase you use, every thing you say, they'll be watching you.

well Jody.. Last i saw. Mathews, Oberman maddox, Stewart, Steponallofus. all have been critisizing the Incompetant in chief.. so its not just Fox news.. (the most powerful name in news i might add)

but please kep entertaining me.

Steve,

I never mentioned Bush! Not even once. I'm asking you to defend the complete lack of work done on behalf of the American people from the right side of the aisle.

I didn't ask you to defend de-regulation, or the Iraq war.

Nope, I just want you to tell us what the GOP has done FOR the Amercan people since 1/20/2009.

Sheesh!

Ted they have done lots of Work. STopped alot of the Agenda that Obama is trying to shove down the american peoples Throat. thats exactly the work most americans now want them to do. Stop the overspending and burdensome regualtions that obama and his ilk are trying to shove down our throats. Now i know that its not what you want and you think its doing nothing, but its exactly what i want. and now most of america

Steve,

Please don't delude yourself into believing that we truly give a damn what you think. Since you cannot provide a reasoned response to any meaningful post, you will be ignored as the ignorant waste of flesh you clearly are.

Steve,

President is not incompetent, his opponents are persistent and those of you that celebrate every failure caused by GOP will eventually get what you deserve. We can all count on it. You will get the dawgs back in and when your lives go to hell in a basket, don't complain. Sooner than later, you rightists will learn fartin' from sneezin'. Bought experience is the very best kind. This won't be the first time you people have shot yourselves in the foot trying to keep us down and out. Time is on our side. The rest of us will run out and your pockets will be the only ones left. You've robbed the country of it's industry and money making ability, spending ability, done everything to keep us down. You will win to the ruin of us all, dragging you and your progeny down too.

Disgusted,

I dont really care what you think either. Your defence for the most INCOMPETANT President we have had since JIMMY CARTER is so evident.. your God and Savior Obama can do no wrong in your Eyes. keep drinking the koolaide

They haven't stopped ANYTHING! Nothing!

Stimulous: Passed (with, might I add 47% of the package in the form of tax cuts)

Health Care: Passed

Financial reform: passed (currently in conference committe)

Energy legislation: passed (Passed congress, currently being worked through the Senate)

Lebetter (sp) act: passed (much to the chagrin of you women hating GOPers)

Expanded Veterans benifits: passed

Expanded stem cell research: passed

schip expansion: passed

Sotomayor: confirmed

I'm sure there's more stuff that your guys 'stopped'

Hellofajob your boys are doing on 'stopping the "Obama regime (dun dun DUUUNNN)"

Dolt!

Ted, any amount of effort to reverse the "healthcare" reform is for the benefit of the common American. So yes, conservatives have done a lot. If not 100% sucessful, they have at least been standing on the proper ground. They have worked as much as they can in their political position. Maybe they cannot stop the Obama agenda right now, but they are slowing it down. And future elections will be decided by what they tried to do (for good or bad).

Now I ask you, What have the liberals done that hasn't HURT the common American?

Earlier, you asked Joanne about increased taxes... and they have gone up. The "healthcare" reform is heavy in taxes. You just can't admit to it. The reform won't fix anything. You may try to say about pre-existing conditions, but the way this is set to work out is an assualt on business. By allowing someone to grab insurance only when they are sick (and dropping afterwards), while aslo not allowing that person to be in a higher cost bracket will force the insurance companies to spread that cost. But wait... Obama is already attacking the concept of raising premiums due to his reform. So the insurance companies have to eat that cost. For a company that only make 2%-4% profit, that is business suicide. Obama's method (no raising prmiums) will, over time, wear down private business. So what do we end up with? Higher premiums (insurance companies method) or ending private business (socialist method). Neither is good. This is a lose-lose situation.

Next, all experts agree that the reform will result in reduced quality of care and rationing. The Leftists experts now admit it, but they delayed those points until the spotlight was off them. And you call any Rightist wacko, so you're bound to deny this.

Obama is trying to use this tragic event to justify the cap and trade policy that has nothing to do with the spill, and will hurt more Americans.

As far as Obama forcing BP to put up the funds, they were already doing it. Obama just said it in his speech so he would look like he was tough on them, like he was the force behind the move.

What you need to realize is that President Obama has not done anything to help you. Even the things he has done in the name of help, have a way of cutting deeper than any succor it gives.

"there is no reason to try and Debate you liberals you have your simple minds made up already. If the last 18 months are not enough for you to wake up and smell the coffee there is no reason to try and Argue anymore.. Any thing that i bring up you will just attack as Bush Mistakes..this is the NOW, there is no reason to live in the past. let it go and start assesing the preformace of this Failed Administration.."

Steve,

I am desperately trying to engage in an actual debate with you. So are Ted, Anna, etc. The problem is that you (as well as every other rabid conservative) are either unwilling or unable to engage in an actual debate. In order to debate, you have to not only state your premise, but you ALSO have to provide supporting arguments to drive home your position.

All of us "libs" over here have stated our positions and made our cases. You, on the other hand either cannot or will not even answer simple questions designed to help you start to formulate a justification for whatever position you hold.

So, please do not sit here and attempt to convince us that you and your minions want to debate ANYTHING when it is clear you are unwilling or unable to do so. Since you do not want to debate, it is clear that you are only here to repeat the chants from the echo chamber and partake in very partisan bashing. You do not offer solutions, alternatives, ideas, optimism, debate, or reasoned thought. All you want to do is complain about how much you hate not being in control and not being blindly led by those that believe the way you do.

Disgrace, it would do no good to try and debate any of you. you see the real question is. NOT what have previous Administrations done. but what has Obama done.

I can answer that in one simple Question he has done Nothing except Blame bush for everything. and this has been your response to everything What have the republicans done , I dont need to do your homework for you. its quite easy to go and see all that the republicans have proposed but Nancey and her ilk refused to even discuss they Rammed all kinds of junk thru.. that most americans dont want. this is why Democrats are going to lose in such Major Numbers in November, now i dont think there is any doubt that Republicans will take back the House. But what wil be remarkable is if they somehow take the Senate too. Now you democrats/liberals wont view that as a total rejection of what Obama and this congress has been shoving down the american peoples throat you wil Blame it on . what you call the party of NO for not allowing the Dems to pass all the Junk that you have proposed. ..

accept the fact that YOUR GOD and SAVIOR is the PROBLEM. ACCEPT the fact that Nancy and Harry have pushed TO hard.. Then next time try and do what is Right for the Country instead of thinking you can PROVIDE FOR every Drug addict and Prostitute that are to lazy to lay on their backs..

Ah, well now we may see a glimmer of hope from you Steve. While your post still it completely devoid of any SUPPORTING arguments, examples, specifics, etc. of how and why you classify our President as a failure, but at least we have the seed of a premise you can now set out to defend and support.

See, you cannot win a debate simply by shouting your premise over and over again. You state it once, up front. Then you spend the balance of your allotted time providing evidence to support your conclusion. Stating only that "all he does is blame other people" is not a valid argument and does not support your position. It is an opinion and, while I certainly do not share it, I respect your right to hold it. Having an opinion, however, does not win an argument or convince a voter you can do anything but say NO come election time. So, if you are ready to have an actual debate, I will engage you.

Heck, as a show of good faith, I will even get things started for you:

RESOLVED: President Obama is a failure because...

Ok, now is where you provide actual examples of what the President has failed at and how it is a failure in your mind. Then we get the chance to rebut your premise and offer our own supporting documentation, references, and specific examples.

That is how you have an actual debate. Now, its your turn. I already did half of your job...

Why am I not surprised that Steve (and all his other echo chamber addicts) have not managed to offer anything in response to a post that offers the framework (and even did half the work) to engage in a logical and factual debate. You all jump up and down about how you want to debate the issues and prove to us why your opinions are correct. Well, here is your chance!

Come on Steve (or anyone else on his side of the issues), can't we simply have a formal debate with actual discourse and discussion based on factual evidence and not simply parroting opinions? Let's simply stick to the facts that support our position and leave the ad hominem attacks for the other boards. If none of you are willing or able to engage in such a debate, I seriously question why it is that you bother to spend time here, let alone post. Ranting and raving about what YOU think without ANYTHING to back up your feelings and opinions is rather elementary school and I would dearly love to see us be able to elevate the conversations here above where they have been lately.

Any takers out there?

You don't have to attack him personally to attack the validity of his reasoning. Which bites.

But how about, instead of poisoning the well (how's that for an apt metaphor?) as to what Rachel and Keith would do, you make a substantive argument IN FAVOR of the ruling ... in 3 .. 2 .. 1 ..

Claiming "some" drilling equipment may be faulty is no reason to shut it "all" down. When a plane crashes we don't canel all flights.

Rob:

Now that says a lot in a simple answer. That sums it up.

When all of these clowns stop driving and start walking, then maybe they can stop drilling.

Rob,

A plane going down does not kill all life in the Gulf of Mexico. When the US was attacked by airplanes on 9/11 they did cancel all flights. Or did you forget? It's called National Safety. Halting off shore drilling until safety of equipment that has been proven "falty" can be established is a valid decision. Only greed and self-service argues to the contrary.

Middleman,

What's going on Big Sarge? I told J-rock they would find you in here talking this political BS. They are looking at it but wont register because everbody hates politics.

This blog or forum of whatever the heck it is pointless. No thoughtful discussion, just people liking seeing their own words. I've been on a few news forums where you can actually have a somewhat civil discussion, and actually find stuff to agree on. Namely on CNN. Here I just hear people yelling back and forth, enjoying the smell of their own farts, feeling self-important. There must be a scientific term for it.

Rob

When a DC-10 crashes because of some fault, all DC-10's are pulled in for inspection. And yes, flights get canceled.

and 30 of 1000 is far from all

Digusted,

It is what the people down there want, to swim in it. Thank goodness I hadn't sent any monies toward recovery, I definitely will hold onto mine. These people don't want help, they want a handout, not up and out of the mire. Those fishermen and their families will pay a dear price, but hey! their fellow statesmen don't care so why should the rest of us?

Let the fools go! Stop concerning yourself over it.

Tom:

I beg to differ. This ruling will not be overturned. It is easy for people from other parts of the country to criticize the judge's decision but it is the right decision for people from the Gulf. The Appeals Court is in NO also, so they understand the ramifications.

Tom-433510,

Well put.

IntheMiddle, then those same people need to stfu about not getting relief, payment, renumeration etc. Let Big Oil off the hook. The US should pull out the Coast Guard, and Reservists, and say, you want to drill baby drill, go for it. You make you bed, you lie on it!

Sis. we are gonna keep driving our Cars. but please feel free to stop. and dont ride the bus cause that uses Oil and dont ride a bike because guess what those Tires on the bike use oil to make.. Hypocrits that yell about OIL dont realize just how much they use that have nothing to do with Automobiles..

Steve,

Your position stated above is short-sighted and seems mighty ignorant to me.

Your position (stated above) boils down to this.

#1 we need cars (agreed)

#2 Cars need oil (for now)

#3 since we don't have a shelf ready replacement for oil (this is where it gets nutty), let's not do ANYTHNIG.

Most of you "conservatives" rail on and on about passing your children debt, while at the same give absolutley now regard as to the condition of the planet they will inherit.

Don't patronize us progressives. We know that oil is needed and valuable, we're not stupid. We also KNOW, something that maybe you guys missed, that oil will run out. probably by the time your children's children are having kids. A crisis unlike any other.

But because it will be hard to do anything differently than what we do now, Steve just wants to keep driving the same tired road.

Pretty sad dude.

even Eleictic cars use OIL. the tires they are made of use oil. the seats the wiring all oil based products..

if you got rid of everything that requires oil to produce .. you would pretty much be getting rid of everything in your life.. so please do us all a favor and stop using them

Your idea of OIL usage is just ignorant

Steve,

Your ignorance is painful. Either that, or your willful desire to ignore anything meaningful is also painful. Nobody is saying that we should quit oil cold turkey or that we will not be dependent on oil for the foreseeable future.

What progressives are demanding and the GOBP is utterly willing to do is that we START planning for the time when oil will NOT be readily available any longer. Or that time in the future when, even before we have run out of oil, it becomes do difficult and expensive to extract that is essentially useless to us as a way to run an economy.

Like JoAnna, you all can play ostrich and ignore the inevitable. Someday (while not in the immediate future it WILL happen) we will run out of oil. If we can all agree that this may not occur for another 30 years, that means we have 30 years to figure out what the hell to do. The difference between the left and the right is that, on the left, we want to start researching and FUNDING the alternative sources that we will need and will take YEARS to develop and perfect. I would rather use the next 30 years making sure we DO have a viable alternative and that we have not abdicated our national security to a bunch of desert dwelling sheiks that have no love lost for us.

For you righties, you would rather ignore the harsh reality and delude yourselves that there is never going to come a day when oil is not plentiful and cheap. Much like you deluded yourselves that deepwater drilling in the Gulf has ZERO chance for catastrophe and that BP was prepared to completely contain a spill two or three times as large as the current leak. Are you people really that foolhardy or do you just really hate America that much?

So Steve,

Your eloquent and, might I say, witty response failed to address any issue I put in front of you.

Like I said (you must have missed this part of my post) I know oil is needed and valuable.

What you failed to address is how you plan on replacing it when it's GONE! It will be gone. Shouldn't we start planning for that INEVITABILITY now?

Dolt!

You lefties need to just stop using anything that is made from Oil. . Oil will not run out in my lifetime or yours.. the earth is producing more as we speak.....my guess is before its all gone the Earth will Tire of Humans and drop them like a bad case of Fleas like she did with the Dinosaurs and guess what. she will make OIL out of us.

Wow! Just wow!

So because the problem isn't yours directly, or your children's, it's just nothing to worry about huh? What about your grandkids Steve? Lord-willing, Steve, what about your great-grandkids?

So, no clean, renewable energy research for America's futrue huh?

Hey Steve! You win the IGMFU award for the day! for forsaking even your own lineage to ensure the status quo remains just that; the status quo.

IGMFU - I got mine, F%$$ You!

I worked for mine Ted. about time you did to. My kids are gonna be just fine . because i taught them they need to be self Reliant and not depend on the govt. . My Grandkids are doing just fine too. because their parents taught them the way taught them..

in 30 or 40 years when the Technology exisist for us to not use as much oil as we do now the problem will take care of itself . but until then i will not live as. YOU and your STINKING liberal friends Wish that i live so as to make YOU feel better..

Making assumptions about my worth or my contributions to society is pretty petty. I do pretty well for myslef, thank you very much. Everything I have is mine and mine alone, and no, I don't ask the guberment for anything except a decent education for my daughter and standard city services. So stuff your sanctimonious attitude where the sun don't shine.

Your solution to oil being a finite resource is idiotic. "when the technology exists, it will work itself out." I have a hole in the sand if you'd like to stick your head in.

If the American population does not get to doing the research that will make you fantasy a reality, we're going to get caught with our pants down. new technology doesn't "magically" appear Steve. It takes a national will and, yes, resources.

Be realistic about our situation Steve. The Oil WILL run out.

You will live as the oil companies wish you to live. Get ready for some real expensive gas prices no matter where and when they drill. China is going do dawrf our consumption in the near future, even though they are way out in front of us with new alternative energy systems. There is no long term future in oil as an affordable energy source. When I started working minimum wage was $2.50 an hour but $2.50 would buy 5 gallons of gas. If a teenager makes $7.50 an hour now he can buy 2 maybe 3 gallons with $7.50. Lets check back in about 5 years and see how were doing.

Ha.. Run forest Run

Steve

We had an oil embargo 30 years ago....that was 30 years and I thought we would have better technology now. It's not like we didn't know we had an oil problem....30 years ago.

If not now when? When do we fix it?

we wish he would throw up his arms and Resign..

Figures

Yeah, me too. I wish Biden would join him about 5 minutes later. Then I would crack up as I watched the collective expressions of unadulterated triumph from the right wing sudden freeze in stomach lurching panic as they all collectively realized who just became president of the United States.

Really, Michael, this response could not be better! Still laughing.

It doesnt really matter, cause come nov 2010 any Democrat president will become a Lame duck.. but at least we wouldn't have to listen to Oblamer anymore.. and as far as Pelosi is concerned we dont really care.. it doens't matter the next president will be a Republican.. come on 2012 . we can't wait

Really? Who are you going to run?

at this point and time it doesn't matter. A dog could beat any Democrat that would run for President.. we will just name him Alvin Greene and you democrats will vote for him

Well, I don't have a crystal ball, so I can't really make any claims about predicting the future, but I will hazard a guess that you'll need a better candidate than a dog named Alvin Greene. Dissatisfaction is not a plan. Thus far, that is about all I've seen from the right these days.

thats really all we need right now. The Democrat party is Destroying itself as more and more people see just how WASTEFUL you liberals are..

Well, I've never seen a campaign in my lifetime won by nothing more than one party saying that the other party sucks. But let's move on. I'll grant you the both houses this fall and the presidency in 2012. So what's next? What is your legislative agenda? How do you try to win back the centrist dems like me who you've alienated with your rancor over the last couple of years?

Or do you intend to just sit there while we join ranks and block everything in the senate like you have?

lol but thats all you Liberals did the last Election. Anything but Bush. seemed to work well for you..

That really didn't answer any of my questions.

You've won. You've got both branches of the legislature with slim majorities and the presidency. What do you do? What is the agenda? How do you reach 60 votes in the senate? How do you win back the people on the near left that you've alienated with your rancor and your rhetoric?

Do you even try?

Or do you just sit there and get blocked on everything?

it doesn't matter .. i dont want any Administartion to try and improve peoples lives that wont help themselves, dont spend money on people that are to lazy to work. stop promising everything to people just for votes. quit spending Money we dont have. the bottom line is. I am Totally against what this CURRENT administration is doing as are MOST americans the first thing we shojld do is REPEAL everything they have passed.

It does matter.

It matters because unless you can can convince people who are relatively easier to convince like me, none of that will get done. It doesn't matter what you are against or what people who believe the same things you believe are against. It matters what you can convince people like me to be against. If you fail to do that, then nothing that you want to happen will happen.

I am not a frothing liberal. I tend not to speak out on any subject unless I believe I can speak about it intelligently. Hence there are a lot of subjects I give a pass to.

You are correct in believing that there are some segments of the population you will not convince. There probably ARE people who are progressive enough to qualify as socialists... a lot less of them than you would like to believe there are, but at least some.

The problem with what you are saying is that you may know what you want, but you have no idea how to get there. And because of that, you and those like you are succeeding mostly in completely driving away people like me who might, in other times, have gone along with you in some of the things you say you want.

I have been talking about deficit and debt reduction for years now. However, deficit and debt reduction isn't something that just happens because you want it bad enough. You have to have a plan. And having a plan requires that you prioritize what you value. Otherwise, nothing in the budget disappears. And in order for your priorities to win out, you need help from the other side.

Like I said, if you can't convince me and don't care enough to even try to, then what happens in this country is the same thing that's been happening.

Nothing.

You can wish Obama was gone, maybe you can win an election but you can not vote or wish the problems this country is facing away, they are real and will still be there even if a republican wins. Obama did not create this mess in 15 months Bush did, if Obama is not able to solve these problems then the next guy gets a chance, the problems are real. Good luck republicans you might need a super majority to tie your shoes if the democrats play your games. How does that sound ,I hate your new president who ever he is, and I'm gonna do everything I can to ruin him, his cabinet, and the country in the process because I hate conservatives. Sounds pretty Fricking stupid when somebody tells you that doesn't it.

I dont have to convince you of anything. I just have to state my Opinion, if you choose to continue to be Ignorant thats your choice.

no sweat off my gonads. I dont care whether you live or die, . what i do care about is having to support people that wont support themselves. or people that seem think that those that do work hard owe those that wont or wont try to better themselves ..

You mean you have 'gonads'? From what I've been reading from you... You sure could have fooled me!

Well, you are correct. You don't HAVE to do anything. You and those who believe the same things that you do can opine as much as you want, but if you honestly believe that any of the things you want to happen will come to pass with absolutely no support from the other half of the country, then you are in for huge disappointments.

And to be honest with you, after interacting with you for a few hours, I can honestly reply that I do not care whether you live or you die either.

Hey Fiesty. They may be really Small. But they are Damn cute

Good point CA. I am also ignoring the repugs. Here we are seeing another example of their lust and greed for money. Drilling in deep water is not safe. What the hell have we been looking at for the last 60+ days. Nobody can fix the problem we have now anytime soon. I really hope that another deep well does not blow, but if it does and these yahoos want the Big Oil to keep on drilling, then fine, if it happens deal with the oil company. Do not call Uncle Sam we are not interested. You want to make this bed, then you lie in it. ALONE>

That's right US Navy. Although one can be riled by the fact that this judge's decision could result in other incidents causing more damage to the gulf which I hate because I love the gulf and all the marine life there, Obama win's on this issue. The judge can't stop Obama from instructing the MMS to do a better job of evaluating the safety requirements on all these rigs and if any cut corners or do not meet standards they can be closed down until they do. If they are found to be safe and above board then that is ok too. But given another disaster hits from one of these rigs before such evaluations and audits can be completed who will lose on this one. The gulf of course and the people who live there, this judge, and the republicans (and right wing bloggers) for ridiculing Obama and for pursuing the right to drill before requiring that these rigs meet proper safety standards.

Good point indeed; hadn't thought of that. Pres Obama is a whole lot smarter than the right wants to admit. He got $100 million from BP for unemployment benefits while the temporary moratorium was in place. I do not see this as bad for Pres Obama; he doesn't run the courts; he tried. If something happens on Atlantis--I hope not (whistleblowers say it is as bad there as Deep Water Horizon) or any of those other rigs where there are questions--whose fault will it be? Not Pres Obama because he tried to tell them.

CA,

I hear ya. I hope that we never have another blow up like this one. This is one case I would love to be wrong on (I am afraid that another may happen). I have no problem with the drilling as long as it is safe. Unfortunately I do not live near any oceans, but we do have the great lakes and I enjoy all the creatures living there. I am with you, the people will loose out again, but this is why we must make these damn things safe. Currently they are not.

Oh the Great Lakes. What wonderful and beautiful part of the country. I have a brother who lives in Ludington MI on Lake Michigan. You can have their winters but the summers are ideal. The dunes and the lake are truly an amazing site.

C'mon man/woman you're giving this man too much credit. If we all listen to you, he is the smartest person to ever walk the earth.

He is a man just like me. We both eat and s**t the same way and both of ours stink.

dbo: YOU can have a many votes as you want to if you belive your own crappola. Go to legalzoom.com and you can establish as many corporations as you want for yourself at a couple of hundred bucks each. YOU could get youself 50 votes, or 500. Maybe moveon.org should start giving out grants to get every lefty liberal in the country 500 votes ( themselves and 499 corps each). LOL!!!

You math is correct. That number floating around is BS. Take 33 wells times the number on the DH and you shouldbe in the ball park. Also as I understand it, they can also collect unemployment benefits as well.

This is getting nuts.

IR,

I was just down in your area and I found the people there great. My nephew just graduated from VA Tech (he is a DO) and we spent a week looking at all the sites we could. Great people and a pretty country side. We have a lot of what you refer to as backward people up here in the north.

MSNBC claims that the WH is appealing this ruling. I do not understand why are we trying to help people when they are telling us to go away. Maybe we should just back away and let the chips fall where they may.

Hey Navy just passed out a check for a young lady to get started down at Va. Tech last weekend. Generally have several close friends and relatives children down there and over at UVA Mason and Madison every year. Va. Tech and what goes on down there is kind of special and unique though. Congrats to the Grad. I was just kind of pointing out something that was a big talking point to the right back when the mine collapsed and they were talking about regulations. That is something that has been rampant up here for years is the Mine owners having several Judges in their back pockets which makes it kind of hard to take them to court. On behalf of the Hill folk I will say that we're glad that you had a good trip and enjoyed the company. Let me know next time your coming through and I'll see what I can do to steer you to some special spots that I know of.

IR,

Deal. My nephew and his girlfriend has accepted positions in the area at one of the hospitals. They are planning a spring wedding. Look forward to those special spots. Take care and have a great day. I hope President Obama goes after the mines next. They are jsut as bad I think.

Yellowdog,

Obama continues to put people out of work, this was just another decsion by him to try and pass his Cap and Tax bill, Please do us all a Favor stop driving yoru car. . stop riding the bus. and stop using anything that uses oil to make. Most of the things in your life would be gone..

Yeah Steve- and take away BIG Government and we'd be in the NEW Great Depression, with alot more problems than oil. In fact since President Obama is putting people out of work lets just pull the Government intervention out of the Gulf and let the Oil industry like Wall st. run wild. And "IF" there is another spill they are on their own, and BP don't worry about paying the victims thing we are out of it...

Or we could just Fire about 60 percent of all Federal employees and we would be just fine.. time to make the Govt start working instead of sitting around watching Porn on Tax payer dollars

So your answer to the unemployment problem is to put more people out of work.

Ah.

Yea Federal employees that are nothing but a Drag on the system.

the go to work do nothing, get paid Tax Dollars that could be use to pay down the national debt and or Balance the budget. but the last thing the money should be used for is More entitlements.. period

So your answer to unemployment is to literally put millions more people out work to collect unemployment insurance and try to find work in a private marketplace that can't support the ones who are already out of work?

Do you realize how insane that sounds?

Honestly?

Steve,

Why is it that anytime someone proposes thinking about cleaner energy in the form of a bill or by enforcing energy efficiency standards, your type demands that someone must give up all forms of oil based products and live like a caveman.

Although I don't have to defend my way of life to you, I carpool, drive a hybrid, chose to install an energy efficient air conditioner, and my utility company only provides clean wind and solar energy to me. I Also work as an architect to design energy efficient buildings.

You guys are a joke.

MY answer is to put GOVT out of Work. as the rest of the work force is Forced to downsize the Govt keeps getting Bigger and Bigger and Bigger.. we dont have enough Tax Revenue coming in to support it without PUtting OUR KIDS and GRANDKIDS and there KIDS and GRANDKIDS into further debt. If you cared so much about the Future this is where your concern should be. and not on some fictious cheap Energy that doesn't exisist yet

Yellow dog. most of that stuff that you mentioned requires some type of OIL product to produce.. without it you would be without a job

But you still haven't answered my question. It's obvious right now that the free market can't even support the workforce in the country that is out of work right now. So what happens when you suddenly add millions more to the out of work rolls?

Do you just end unemployment insurance?

Those people put out of work haven't exhausted their unemployment benefits and they've paid the same payroll taxes that private sector workers have. Do you just deny them unemployment insurance when you RIF them because they worked for the government?

Do you seriously think that ending the careers of 60% of the Federal employees will help this nation in the short term?

You are so ignoratn Michael,

The Govt can't support what we have right now, Govt never has and never will be able to support any type of lifestyle unless they TAX the Hell out of its Citizens. there are people that produce and people that expect the Govt to provide for them. as far as i am concerned. IF YOU CANT AFFORD TO LIVE . Your gonna die. its the Animal kingdom which we are part of Survival of the Fittest..

Calling me ignorant really doesn't answer the question either.

What happens and how do we sustain the ramifications of the policy you want to enact? Your policy will result in millions of new unemployed when we already have millions of unemployed. The Federal Government is already straining to provide unemployment benefits for the millions that are already unemployed. So what happens when you increase that burden as much as you claim to want to?

What happens to these millions of people as they spend a year or more trying to find work in this job market?

Do they just starve? Do you cut unemployment insurance as unsustainable?

What do you do?

I like your remark earlier in this thread Steve, you know the one that goes: "without PUtting OUR KIDS and GRANDKIDS and there KIDS and GRANDKIDS into further debt. If you cared so much about the Future this is where your concern should be. and not on some fictious cheap Energy that doesn't exisist yet"

But you wont even acknowledge the need to fund research to find alternative energy.

So your kids, your grandkids, and their kids will live in a squallor. a burnt flat and polluted world constantly at war with other countries over a futile conflict to control the last remaining drops of oil.

Damn the deficit, at this points the economies already in shambles because we were ready for this situation.

IGMFU!

Private industry will fund it. The govt should propose it. because we know they dont know how to do it. If they did . it would be done already. Govt didnt invent electricity. govt didnt invent cars. govt has invented anything except people that depend on the govt to provide for them.. and No my kids my Grand kids and thier kids wont live in squaller. because i have made sure of that.. Unless the Democrats Take it all away from them . which is much more likely then them losing it..

Private industry doesn't fund anything that is speculative in nature. Not on a large scale anyway. If they cannot make short term profits from it, then it won't happen without some outside entity priming the pump.

How does some local judge's decision overturn an executive order?

It is called 'the law', and the beautiful thing about this country is that our founders made it applicable to ALL, including the president.

What law says that we cannot stop unsafe deep water drilling in federal and international waters?

Please share that law with me.