I thought you "righties" didn't like BIG Government? Only when it suits you huh? And before you mention it we enjoy the lowest taxes since 1950. So there goes the right wing TALKING{all you guys do} points. So now, WHAT could have been done differently to stop the leak the NOBODY knows how to stop? How would doing a John MCcain loonatic rant help?

Evidently, Ole Chicago, you are a part of the 28% of the public (as measured by ABC News/Washington Post) that views the Administration's response to the Gulf oil spill favorably.

You're welcome to that opinion...just as I am to mine.

Please don't make assumptions about my views on how big government should or should not be. I really don't know how you could have that information, based on any comments I've made at First Read.

That said, I simply don't buy the narrative that President Obama and the federal government are mostly powerless to effectively respond to the containment and clean-up of the oil spill...and, I don't believe most people do.

You did not and can not answer the question. If you are implying that BP and the Government don't want to stop the leak you are insane. We all have opinions, and those polls never seem to call me or anyone I know so we don't take much stock in that...for example if you poll Rush Limbaugh in a conservative area you will probably get the numbers you want. Poll him in a Liberal area and the opposite will happen. We all also can down almost anything but if you don't have the answer don't blame someone else who also don't have it. If ANYBODY in this hemisphere knew how to stop the leak it would already be stopped...no phony public Palin/McCain like theater loonatic rant will help. The Coast Guard {government} has been on the job since the explosion/fire ands search and rescue which is the very beginning nothing more can/could have been done.

@MixedBag:

What exactly do you believe? That the President has a magic wand? We can call do Tuesday morning quarterbacking and "express disbelief" and "express anger", drop in via parachute and say, "Never fear, I'm here"?...... but what does that all mean?

Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of blame game to go. But guess who can really fix this? Government? BP? NO - its you, its me.

Anyone who is "angry" should take a good look in the mirror. We "blame" government for being too cozy with Oil - really? I don't, I blame everyone for being silent about it. I don't blame Bush or Cheney - I blame the electorate. This is the product of who we are, who we put in office, who we believe in, who we allow to set the tone.

Exactly what are you disbelieving? That a a country that can't even muster an alternative energy plan, goes nuts about oil prices, has been through Exxon Valdez and more, but then goes back to old ways, actually has some 'secret weapon' to take care of spills?!! No wonder its easy for oil companies to toy with emotion - that's all we seem to have, emotion and nothing on the action part.

That's what this President is trying to do. Act, not play a part. "Not angry enough"? As laughable as that is, it shows exactly what I'm talking about...sadly. "We want a show", then we move off to something else - the ultimate in short attention spans.

MSNBC - as big a fan as I am (Morning Joe, is a very new favorite, even if its a bit early for me here in the West Coast), you did exactly the same thing. A lot of your talking heads keep saying "We want the President to show more connection, more emotion"....yes, you are asking for a show as well, not substance.

Proof? This morning, there was a NOAA Press Conference on the spill, and what did you do (as with CNN and other networks)? Cut the live feed to cover Van Der Sloot! Just when you get substance, the real meat, the actual "stuff that matters", you cut into some lesser (I don't mean to be insensitive here) news! Talk about attention span - yes, a few weeks ago, the same talking heads went into some collective furor when the President said something like "....after the media has left....". Sager words were never spoken (being facetious).

BTW, that's a pet peeve - why does the anchor need to interrupt a Press conference to "parrot" what is being said? It's annoying - we can listen and comprehend the same words....

So, Mixed Bag, we can agree to disagree. I get your point, your emotion. I understand. I just hope people here can really look for substance instead of a soap opera, and translate all that anger, into a real solution.

This isn't something that "will do something" - it already has. It is a monumental disaster. Let's hope this translates to all of us moving away from oil - no, not today, that's impossible, but definitely for a solid plan/transition for the very near future (not decades).

No I'm not "far left" - proof? Nuclear power is something to discuss along with solar, wind, natural gas, etc. Just as long as we all understand that we can't be "NIMBY" - you know, those who want something as long as its Not In My Back Yard?

And no, I don't hate oil companies. They do nothing but feed a demand. Our demand. That's the point. The real substance we should all be angry and think about.

Obviously you read my posts a little too selectively, Ole Chicago. I have stated that I DO NOT expect the Obama Administration to stop the oil leak on the ocean floor. I have stated that the best the Administration can do is make their own experts available to BP to use as they see fit and they have done that. When the well in finally capped, it will almost certainly be done by BP's engineers and technicians.

Again...for the record:

My criticism of the Obama Administration has been confined to it's RESPONSE to the spill.

To:

The lack of coordination and mobilization of resources by the federal government in the nearly five weeks between the BP well's blow-out, and the oil making landfall;

The failure to respond in a timely fashion to the locals' desperate requests for permission to build berms and barriers to the oil they KNEW was on its way to shore;

The failure to effectively deploy and maintain the millions of feet of oil booms and skimmers (to include replacing oil-drenches booms and skimmers in a timely fashion), and to make sure that private contractors and local government are doing the same;

The failure to effectively manage, coordinate, and deploy the 20,000 clean-up workers to oil-fouled marshes and beaches.

(Rachel Maddow complained bitterly about those last two when she reported from the Louisiana coast.)

My criticism has been quite specific, Ole Chicago...

I just can't seem to get you to hear it.

EDSF, Mixed Bag and I went around and around on this yesterday. You are correct - get to the ROOT of the problem and directyour ire at that. Mixed bag wants to be upset with the RESPONSE to the problem that HASN'T BEEN SOLVED yet.

I pointed out that the problem hasn't been solved - the well is still leaking. Mixed Bag pointed out that the leaking well wasirrelevant; it was RESPONSE to the leaking well where he had the problem. i again pointed out that the Government cound not do anything about the leak because the Government doesn't drill wells. How can they respond as Mixed bag wishes when they are NOT experts in the field?

I am not sure if you will get any where, but that is where we left off. Alan, NJ had issues with the berms being built. You would think that the Gulf Coast states would have SOME contingency in place for something like this... especially if they are drilling. They HAD to know the risks.

So, now here we are... arguing about the RESPONSE to a catastrophe. At LEAST there was a response.

Oy.

I hope that you'll excuse me, First Readers...

I'm afraid that I'm still adjusting to the revelation that so many of the regulars here at First Read expect so little from their federal government...not a typical stance among folks with a left-of-center political viewpoint, in my experience.

I suppose the upside of that is that as long as expectations continue to be so minimal...

The Obama Administration will be able to to deliver.

Amazing demonstration on TV last night re oil cleanup. Hay. If you lay it on top of the water, it will absorb the oil. In less than a minute, the oil in the sample tank was completely soaked into the hay and the water was "clear as a bell", as they say down home. Then, it's a matter of picking up the hay! Easy, cheap. Would provide some jobs. The technique has been presented several times but EPA won't let them do it. Why?

@Mixed Bag:

What other response are you looking for? Perhaps, it's the collective volunteer effort everyone here should consider so that the "anger" expressed here is genuine?

"the failure to deploy booms"??? Really? Are you serious? Do you even know how much boom is out there? And here's the kicker - it works very minimally! It will NOT prevent the disaster to come - they could have done that 10 seconds into the game, and we'll still be where we are. That's the extent of the "technological advances" the oil industry has boasted in the realm of disaster preparedness.

There is no mystery, as I have already stated. The President made it quite, crystal clear that the federal government does not have the technological prowess to deal with the situation. It's has nothing to do with "expectations from our government" whatsoever - I'm past that. I already know this is a monumental disaster that no one, not the Government, not BP, can quickly solve.

There is no magic wand. This isn't Hollywood, there is no show. Bruce Willis isn't going to come from that asteroid and fix a hole a mile underwater.

The only real expectation left is from ourselves. Stop expecting action from others - that's a sure sign of this "deflection attitude", all talk, all stoking emotion, no action.

I'm glad we have a President who is more substantive than emotional. I don't need a hug, I need someone on the job.

If any of this supposed anger is real, then volunteer to help in the immediate, and think long and hard about how we can curb our demand for oil for the long term.

It's really that simple.

Well, EdSF-

Looks like Rachel and me are going to have to disagree with you on the issue of how well the existing, currently available clean-up technology...booms, skimmers, and boots on the ground, is being employed to combat the effects of this spill.

I'm gonna stand with Rachel Maddow on this one if you don't mind.

From now on, take this up with Rachel...OK?

Lowest tax rate hahaha - we also "enjoy" the highest unemployment rate in history at 16.6%!!!!!

"perfect"? Actual qoutes, please.....

Typical responses from the right. This President has been on top of this on-going disaster since the beginning whether you want to believe that or not. It is an ever-changing disaster, unpredictable and 5000 feet down.

I'd be willing to bet if McCain or Bush 43 were in office, they'd be doing the same thing and the right would be telling us how on top they were. President Obama wouldn't please them if he handed them a million tax free.

What would you have him say to the CEO, nojo? And what could he say that would change the way BP is handling the leak?

It's so easy for you to second-guess this president. A week ago, everyone was upset because he wasn't "mad" enough. Now that he's displayed that yes, he is angry, all the right wingers shift gears and make fun of him for wanting to kick butt.

As usual, your criticism is based soley on the news of the day. If the media came out saying that he could walk on water, you'd all be screaming "See - he can't swim!"

I would ask No Jo, for you to check one of your polls, or crystal ball, or whatever you use to know everything about everything, what you would suggest the president could do differently regarding the oil spill......But you have no ideas, just polls.

speaking of polls I am so angry about this situation. I want the issue handled. But I also have the COMMON sense to realize that the US government has never been in the business of oil drilling, and does not have the proper equipment to tell BP to simply 'move over' and let us handle this.

What are you suggesting we do, bomb the well?

Actually Mark... It was Hillary Clinton who 'coined' the swim phrase! :0) And OH so true about the news of the day!

President Obama could cure cancer TODAY and they would still b!tch and moan! Nothing but raw unadulterated pure HATRED from the righties!

Ps: Notice how we're back their back to the 'community organizer' mode? You know what? I'll take a community organizer ANYDAY over a CEO who bankrupted 5 companies and then a COUNTRY!

Jody-if McCain were in office, and his administration had given the waivers necessary to bring this rig on line with the same results, I, and others, would be criticizing him.

As to Bush-I urge you to look at his approval numbers. The difference between Republicans and Democrats could not be illustrated more clearly. Republicans blame presidents of their own party when they mishandle things. Democrats? Not so much.

I might point out that, had McCain been elected and been in charge of this mess, you would be writing diatribes about his mishandling of this event. You would be on this board day and night railing against the misuse of taxpayer funds for his weekly entertainments. You would be screaming about why he had not done something about any crisis that came up.

Obama is a Democrat, however, so he could strangle a puppy and you would defend him.

Sorry, Jody-

56% of Democrats, 74% of Independents, and 81% of Republicans view the Obama Administration's response to the Gulf oil spill negatively in the new ABC News/Washington Post poll.

It would appear that on this issue, there is agreement across the broad political spectrum.

And, as already noted, the same poll found a lower level (62% vs 69%) of negative reaction to Bush's response to Katrina in 2005. So, maybe this isn't "Obama's Katrina"...

Maybe it's worse.

Bull.

No jo:

How would President Obama talking to Tony Hayward on the phone help stop the oil leak?

Do tell.

This is yet another esoteric argument/distraction designed to keep folks from thinking about the real issues like how do we keep this from happening again, why are there any liablility limits for filthy rich oil companies, and why do the officials at BP continue to lie to the public.

But you would have us focus on who the President talks to on the phone?

I mean, its not like the President doesn't have anything else to worry about, like avoiding World War 3 in the Middle East, stimulating the economy so the millions of unemployed can find work, and managing ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I think I trust the President to decide who he should talk to on a daily basis more than you and the rest of the peanut gallery who have nothing but opinions to offer, but no solutions.

I'm keeping my eyes on the folks actually responsible for the catastrophe, no matter how folks try to change the subject to President Obama's "temperment".

I would argue that Americans are in a heightened state of anxiety given the train wreck we've been in economically since 2007 and the vitriol fromt he 'echo chamber' - so I am not surprised that people's visceral reaction to THIS catastrophe is measuring high. But it would be intellectually dishonest to say that if we'd had this level of microscopic bs after 9/11 and then after the war in Iraq, etc. etc. ad nauseum, we'd have similar public outrage/anxiety.

I think that the echo chamber has created a narrative that the sky is falling and then they want to piss and moan about why government isn't saving us from the sky shrapnel. I'm not buying into the Rightwing Hype. Sorry,...

And to those asking njnbnj to provide sources - she won't do it,...so take it with a grain of salt (and some tequila, if you've still got a sense of humor). ha ha

Ok, i ask did any body watch larry king Last night?

i found out some very instresting things. that well is pumping oil out at the 13 Thousand PSI. the oil men on the program are saying and i believe them that we just can't cap it. we have to drill a relief well to bring the pressure down so that can be capped. that will take time. i also found out that we have been in the gulf for 50 years and this is the first spill in the gulf, ever!!!! they also said that to us this seems like its taking for ever to stop the oil, but they explain things last night that i did not know, but made alot of since. at 5000 feet down they can't just sifen oil out, because of the different levels of tides that deep.

but one thing that struck me was that non of these guys were blaming the government for there actions, and BP because to them BP has been on point from minute one, but to us all we see if oil.

Now i will say this, there was faut that caused this spill, they said that during there drilling they made mistakes, they oil men did not explain what, but they said in the coming months we will find out. this was to them, human error not regulations, or faulty equipment. some on messed up.

just some information i picked up last night on larry king, james cameron, T bonne pickens, and 2 other oil men.

What could have been done differently to STOP the leak that NOBODY knows how to stop? How would you have stopped the leak, you are obviously an expert?

I don't dispute what the polls say but I don't put much credibility in them for one reason in particular. The perception of Pres Obama's response has been created by the media's version of what it thinks should be the proper response. I say that because it is the same media that officials in the affected states are criticizing because of the perception that has been given to tourists--the beaches are coated with oil, don't go. It's over hyped coverage and it sends people into deeper anxiety. Some of the reporting is excellent and does not veer off into political opinion. Don't get me wrong, it is a serious disaster and the events will be long-term and devastating to the region but playing the blame game won't solve it. Call me old-fashioned but I want reporters to report facts and not their opinion how the Pres is doing. Anger, frustration, a sense of helplessness all add to that perception--the media pundits provide no value to the discussion except to create more angst.

NJNB. I seriously doubt that the criticism from the right would be anything close if a republican was the CIC. You have done nothing except criticize and attack Pres Obama for anything and everything; rarely have you had anything good to say. Sorry, I just don't buy your thought you'd be complaining if it were McCain.

No, I don't agree with everything Pres Obama says or does just because I'm a democrat. In this instance, I understand there is nothing Govt can do to plug an oil well 5000 ft down; I understand that only an oil company has the technology to fix it; I understand that this oil spill isn't one big pool of oil, it is hundreds of small slicks and pools heading off in different directions and changing course every day; I understand and know that every resource available has been deployed to the region by Pres Obama. This Pres has been working behind the scenes and providing as much govt assistance as is available but this is an unprecedented disaster that is far more complicated than many in the media want to acknowledge or convey to the public. The media and media pundits drive their own version of the event; often that version is a distorted shadow of the truth.

I saw Larry King last night as well and found it very interesting.

One thing that you missed however, is that they said that Halliburton made a mistake when cementing some part of the well, and that when that failed, it basically triggered a chain reaction. Even so, this all still could have been avoided if the blow out preventer was operational.

So there is lots of blame to go around, as usual.

Hello Nash! Good to see you out today. :)

Good to be seen Anita . . . thanks for the shout out! :)

I.R. was asking about you on last week-- I know that he'll be glad to see you too! :)

And if Bush or McCain were in office, the left would be saying that they were doing a terrible job of handling the spill, Jody. The right does not have a monopoly on partisan talking points and divisiveness....the left is just as guilty. At least recognize that fact.

Jill,

It is true that there are folks on both sides of politics who exploit tragedy to score political points. That still doesn't make it right however. And more importantly, it doesn't solve any of our problems. Just another distraction.

Nashville_fan

right it was human error, who ever was cementing some part of the well screwed up. i guess my point was that this spill had nothen to do with deregulation or bush or Obama, some guy made a mistake, we are human right and we as human make mistakes right!!

So true Jeff . . . humans make mistakes.

That is why we set up checks and balances to find them before it is too late.

So why all the "anti regulation" talk and such when we know the human condition?

Doesn't make sense.

And it wasn't just one error that got us to this point, but several. We were just one check or balance away from avoiding this.

Accidents will always happen, but it feels better when you know you did your best . . . not sure we can say that this time.

your right!!! Nashville_fan i just want people to stop the blame game, its not going to solve the problem, its not going to cap the broken well or help drill the relief well any faster. but i will say this, i did not know we have been drilling in the gulf for 50 years and this is the first spill. to me it seems like the persidures were working well for 50 years.

Jeff,

I agree that the blame game is taking us nowhere, and I also think it is great if it is true about there being no spill in the Gulf for the past 50 years (although I keep hearing talk about a Mexico spill from 1979, but don't know if that was in the Gulf).

But as this incident illustrates, when you are dealing with matters of this magintude, once is too many. I mean, better safe than sorry never was truer.

We've only had one September 11th as well, but somehow that was one too many too.

When dealing with our ONE planet, a little extra vigilence doesn't seem too much to ask, does it?

THIS REMINDS YOU LEFTIES OF ALL THE SH!T YOU GAVE BUSH. You blamed and is still blaming that MAN for everything under the sun. This is funny (not the oil spill) but the way you all get get your panties twisted because someone dares to not worship Obamaniah.

Good comment Anita, the more MSNBC tries to become Fox light the more it's ratings look like CNN.

Nashville_fan, yes there was a spill in the Gulf in 1979, it was another oil rig, and it took over a year to get it stopped. So these so called experts don't have a clue what thier talking about if they actually said there hadn't been a spill in the Gulf for over 50 years.

IntheMiddle, TX

unlike many i did not blame him for 911 or the levies New Olreans, but you must admit the irag war was all his fault, and not getting the national guard in to NO because they were in iraq. my panties are not in a bunch, but your post tells me your are.

Mo-1852032

I watched larry King last night, i may have missed the part about the spill in 79. my bad,

no joe, no bo, nj

Jody-if McCain were in office, and his administration had given the waivers necessary to bring this rig on line with the same results, I, and others, would be criticizing him.

As to Bush-I urge you to look at his approval numbers. The difference between Republicans and Democrats could not be illustrated more clearly. Republicans blame presidents of their own party when they mishandle things. Democrats? Not so much.

PLEASE GIVE US A BREAK on this one here, do you remember the vietman war, democrats like bobby kennedy and MLK we all over president johnson about that, do you remember double digit intrest rates, Ted kennedy was all over him so please, in the last 25 years democrats have not been in power enough to be blames like for stuff like the republicans.

give us a break.

Hello Americans!I see many people have amny opinions and that's great.We need diversity in our lives.But did any of you stop to think about your reasons for these opinions?Everyone has lots to say but no one has even once spoke of a real sollution to any of the problems and crisis that we face.Everyone wants to blame someone for what ever misery they feel and sometimes that blame is warranted but what is your real gripe because although not perfect,Obama has not yet screwwed America as badly as some of our past leader's.It should not be about Democrats,Republicans,left-wing,right-wing but about American citizens,people.What do you expect any administration to do when we as people can't even function together without some type of prejudice of many forms.We can work together to make tomorrow a better day.We have gripes and grumbles but no sollution.A lot of people have a problem with racism here in this country.Personally I don't care if the president was pink and purple with yellow stripes as long as he or she did what was right for the people.But as long as the country remains divided and selfish that may never happen.People as a whole should get together on some common ground and stop the bs and move forward together;surely that would make for a better country!I'm not one for popular opinion so I guess I stand alone on that one!I'm not saying that all people are bent on animosity and destruction but it is quit popular these days.About the oil spill,well if any of you have a sollution I'm sure that other human,the president would love to here it I damn sure would like to know as well!If any of you griping could do any better and honestly could,I would vote for you if you ran for that office. BE GOOD PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!! May God Bless you all! LOTS OF LOVE TO AMERICA!!!!!!!!

Are you kidding? Enlighten me, what else should be done? I think the first thing President Obama should have done when he got into office was clean house in all the departments with the leftover Bush/Cheney administration. They obviously had too close of a relationship with the oil companies, with lax regulation or none at all. We as a nation should've started getting off of fossil fuels when we had the enegy crisis back in the 70's, but of course that didn't happen. Even with the high price of gas a couple of years ago, we still guzzle gas like it's nothing. Since we have such a high abundance of natural gas, why can't we have our cars run on it, can somebody answer me that? I know the city buses in one large city I've lived in run on natural gas.

JoAnna: are you embarrassed to be parroting the Beck/Hannity/Limbaugh talking points? I don't recall you posting on First Read when Bush was elected and all he had on his resume was bankrupted businesses.

JoAnnaSmith: Are you embarrassed to be parroting the Beck/Hannity/Limbaugh words about President Obama? Did it bother you equally that the only thing in Bush's resume were bankrupted business that he had been handed by his daddy's friends and run into the ground? That was pretty telling since he did the same thing to the nation. Since you know all and see all JoAnnaSmith, tell us what YOU would do to fix the leak, or is being proactive to much for your brain to handle?

newdayDAWNING

JoAnnaSmith: Are you embarrassed to be parroting the Beck/Hannity/Limbaugh words about President Obama? Did it bother you equally that the only thing in Bush's resume were bankrupted business that he had been handed by his daddy's friends and run into the ground?

Well that, and being governor of a large state. Time to go back to Huffington newday. Someplace where loons like you are more comfortable with your hatred. A place where you can talk about your hatred for Bush and Cheney all day, everyday. For now though, I'll talk about Obama, seeing he's the current subject.

But you did not answer the question. Or perhaps you cannot? It would require thought.

What could have been done differently to STOP the leak? How would a John MCcain phony political loonatic rant have helped? BTW the "rest" of the world NOW respects us again as a humane country unlike under DICTATOR we hate um all Bush. Again what would have stopped the leak that NOBODY knows how to stop..especially you.

Reality is to much for JoAnnaSmiths brain to handle. Remember newdayDAWNING she's living in Fox world.

I keep forgetting that MO. Thanks for the chuckle!

Newday:

JoAnnaSmith can't Handel reality; she's living in her own world of lies-- what's really sad is that her judgement allowed her to vote for Bush-Cheney and people like her in opinion doesn't deserve to voice an opinion about this administrations handling of anything that Bush-Cheney and partisan politics left us with-- disasters and crisis.

Uh-oh! Does this mean the FR crew has been taken off Air-Wreck's Christmas card list? I mean, if he actually celebrated Christmas?

It's a great new system. Good to see you back.

I have followed FR since Elizabeth. FR is one of the best presenters of facts and pertinent insight. Opinions are left to the reader to form.

I like the new system. It allows one to sort through the 90-10s blogs. As with most blogs, here, 90% are a waste of time; trolls, personal social gatherings and lowest common denominator. 10% are good information or humerous enough to entertain.

Thaks Chuck, Mark, D and Ali.

Palistinians celebrated and cheered on 9/11. Any shred of sympathy I had for them before that went out the window on that day. Also, they teach martyrdom and the glory of suicide bombing to their children. What lovely people. Maybe they need to get over some "nonsensical beliefs" themselves. And the murals in their neighborhoods of their favorite suicide bombers may also cause civilized people to hesitate supporting them.

Have these people never heard of Ghandi and MLK and the strategy of shaming your supposed oppressor? I'm sure they have, but they couldn't care less. They want all Jews dead and Israel eradicated. Lovely people.

Like Helen Thomas, hopefully one day your anti Semitic remarks will result in your retirement from First Read.

Your mouth spews as much hate as the BP oil....Someone please place a cap on this gusher of hatred

Eric:

Isreal is not going anywhere. READ the Bible. It will explain Palestine to you in terms even you can understand.

You're about the stupidest MF on here. I'm sure you will prove my point very shortly.

IntheMiddle, TX

come on now, we are adults and you don't have to call some one who you have never met stupidest MF!!! who has a different opinion than you!! Isreal has caused more trouble in that area than should have been, if you look at a map of the area 50 years ago Isreal has taken over big time, i worked with a guy from palestine and when Isrealies came there they were suppose to pay for the land and guess what, this guys family never got a dime. Isreal has a nucelar bomb, no wonder iran wants one, to protect them selves.

everybody intiltled to there own opinion but calling some one a stupid MF is wrong,

No Jo and i never agree on any thing but i would never call her something like that!!

but your from texas so i guess this is how you operate down there.

Not everyone in Texas operates that way........He clearly has some issues that he needs to get dealt with.

Everybody in Texas is not soft either. I don't see you in here too often so apparently you don't know what type of BS is spewed at Republicans. I don't have issues. I just refuse to be disrespected whether its on a message board or in the streets.

Too funny... if nothing else the righties are predictable! I see they've latched onto the squawking point for today and they're gonna run with it! LMAO! You can set your watch by these clowns!

On the flip side... it's encouraging to see all the progressive primary candidates on the prowl!

As in BuhBye... Blanche - anyone else hear her WHINING on Morning Jerk this morning?

Blanche you have NO ONE to BLAME but yourself! Go Bill Halter!

Feisty Red-Head

I am with you on this one. I watched Joe the Schmo this AM and he is just getting worst every AM. THe rest of his crew is not any better. I have never seen a group of more unqualified people giving advice on things they know nothing about.

I am sick of hearing about Joe's days in congress. Was he part of the problem? How did he vote on some of the issues we are facing now? Assuming he was there then.

What's even funnier about Morning Jerk is NO mention of WHY he left Congress...

Then again I suppose a young woman's dead body found in your office could have SOMETHING to do with it? Nahhh :0)))

Then again I suppose a young woman's dead body found in your office could have SOMETHING to do with it? Nahhh :0)))

Feisty, I thought you said you were going to check your facts on this subject a couple of days ago? Aparrently you did not. Scarborough announced he was leaving Congress in May 2001. the intern was found dead in his Fl office in July 2001.

:0))) BTW, do you REALLY have three chins??

Apparently you don't read FR daily... If you did you would noticed I did the reseach and posted it last week...

:0))) BTW, do you really have a 3" d**k??

Touche'

Apparently you don't read FR daily... If you did you would noticed I did the reseach and posted it last week...

Then why would you continue to post nonsense implying that the dead intern was why he left Congress?

BTW, is your interest in a 3" d**k because it's 50% more than the best you've ever had??

Who would think a good Christian family values guy like Joe was more than likely was banging the intern?

I mean it's preposterous right? There's no track record of right wing nuts cheating on their wife's now is there!

It's especially absurd to believe that the biggest homophobes out there would be living on the down low now wouldn't it??

And save your breath with Democrats do it too.. YES they do!

Difference is they don't run around the country sticking their noses into every ones bedrooms and then hit up airport men's rooms...

As for your closing comment.. thanks for confirming my suspicion... LMAO!

I don't know why she put her husbands biz on blast.

Hey ITM... you forgot to mention you're a veteran...

You slacking today there buddy?

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

What's even funnier about Morning Jerk is NO mention of WHY he left Congress...

Then again I suppose a young woman's dead body found in your office could have SOMETHING to do with it? Nahhh :0)))

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Thank you Feisty for reminding us all of this unacceptable guy. I will NEVER watch or listen to him for this very reason.

ITM, I didnt know you guys were married.........

Keep in mind, folks- IF Obama tries to ride BP TOO hard, all we'll hear is "take over", Take Over, TAKE OVFER". And you know I'm right. Hey, JoAnna- y' think Obama and his 'lackeys' were in those closed-door meetings the dickster was holding with Big Oil??

Joanna,

How is that bumper sticker logic working for ya?

Is it plugging the hole in the gulf?

Bringing your retirement back?

Has your faith in the "private sector" been rewarded with results?

A crook is a crook is a crook - public or private.

The outdated talking points make you seem like someone who can't adapt to new realities or form your own thoughts.

Hope I'm wrong about that, but anyone who can look at this private sector, man made, corner cutting catastrophe and only come away with the notion that it is the government's fault needs to be deprogrammed.

No Nashvill_fan, she needs to be put in a room with padded walls.

Nashville_fan

Joanna,

How is that bumper sticker logic working for ya?

Followed by a bunch of bumper sticker slogans. You libs are just too much fun.

Obama is so out to lunch he hasn't even bothered to talk to the CEO of BP. Rather then Obama talking to the CEO, understand the problem, propose solutions, define what the US federal government can do to help, and determine what government resources are available, Obama instead talks about suing, "kicking ass", criminal charges, "plug the damn hole", and wags his finger at everyone but himself. Obama didn't even know if his MMS head was fired or quit at his latest news conference. The man is useless.

JoAnna,

I'll trust your judgment about who is "useless" because judging by your comments, you seem to be somewhat of an expert on that subject.

You are all talk and no listen.

Peace.

DING, DING, DING

I think Selfish Redhead found her way to the new format,...

Good observance Clara. Me thinks your right.

strange times indeed. I heard a Republican calling for more government regulation the other day.

Umm..not Paul Rand ( the Tea Party Savior ). He said that the government is way to hard on BP.

Truth is that whenever someone says "smaller government", what they mean is less oversight which is why OSHA, FAA, FCC, FDA, MM, all of the regulation groups are short-handed and suspect.

You are so right Eric- The right wing whackos, birthers and teabaggers don't want the government sticking their noses into their profits, taxing them or especially not helping minorities. Only to save their useless rumps thru war and help like in the Gulf...but thank God they can't have it BOTHWAYS.

Yes, and I have to remind myself to log off when I'm shutting down for the evening. Not sure if it matters but just in case....

I agree, Pres Obama is the most mature and thoughtful leader we have had in far too long, and I'd add one with intelligent and "in-the-weeds" detail thinking.

And that's why he's the President and your just a Fox, Limbaugh lemming. Just parrot what your told, not able to think for yourself.

"With the brainpower in this country how in the world is it that no one, whether its private industry or government, can think up a way to stop this spill!?"

Then why does everyone think that the President should fix this mess say, 50 days ago?

Frank, I agree with you. All we have right now is finger pointing and NO ONE is able to contain this spill. BP is trying to figure it out. The Government CANNOT fix the spill itself and it has to rely on BP to fix the spill. The political ramifications of a 'TAKE OVER' are being pondered.

Al lthe while, more and more toxic sludge is being spilled into the Gulf.

You would think that with all of the right-wing and left-wing minds on this, we would have a solution by now. I submit that political posturing is more important than people environment and livelyhoods, so this is where we stand.

For now.

K-mac...I've personally never said that. If I'm laying blame its to everyone involved in this thing for not having a plan in place. But right now, I don't give a you know what about blame. Get the best and brightest together and figure out a solution.

Pietro said:

"You would think that with all of the right-wing and left-wing minds on this, we would have a solution by now. I submit that political posturing is more important than people environment and livelyhoods, so this is where we stand."

So true my friend. Although it seems that lately the cooperation between federal and state governments is improving.

Grimey I undrstand that. I was not implying that you said it, I agree with what you said. You are one of the more level-minded people on this board and I agree with the mojority of your posts. I try not to respond to ignorance because it only pulls you down to that mindset. I believe in looking for the positives rather than the negative side of things.

Sorry I was not more clear.

K Mac...No problem. I appreciate the response and enjoy your posts.

This whole oil spill situation feels like the beginning of the movie "Armageddon". An asteroid is going to destroy Earth and all of the NASA people are sitting around a table discussing ways to stop it and all of their plans are terrible and won't work. Someone says something to the effect of "You're NASA for crying out loud. You're the guys that think this *stuff* up!

I hate to 'dumb down' my country but I think this comment rings all too true. America is used to theatre and having problems solved quickly. Let's face it, our attention-span is short . A big part of the BP/Oil issue is that its taking too long to solve - even the movie 'Avatar' was shorter.

We are pissed at our leadership for not getting the best minds and our superior technology to solve the issue and we are pissed at BP for causing us this headache in the first place. Our limited attention span can't deal with a long-term issue to resolve -AND - we hate that we can't solve a problem.

Our financial systems, our major companies, our government, our news media are all bought into and perpetuate the same "short-term" mindset. As a result, we cannot as a country even discuss long-term problems.

Until we put down the remote, log off of Facebook and Twitter, we will all be caught in the same cycle and that means no Immigration reform, no fix for Medicare, no fix for Social Security.

Does this begin to make anyone think about how HUGE an issue it was to get any long term plan like Healthcare done?

Hey Dan so you support the massive redistribution of wealth upwards as the rich and greedy make money hand over fist while not paying enough taxes and our national debt rises beyond comprehension? So where are all the jobs at that these rich and greedy freeloaders are supposed to create at as we've had 3 decades of the lowest tax rates for these rich and greedy jerks? Where are all the jobs that Clueless George Bush said there'd be once capital gains tax cuts got passed? No Obama did not lose them, they never got created because tax cut welfare for the rich and greedy does not create jobs. Getting sick and tired of hearing this pathetic whine that's nothing but worthless hot air from the Ayn Rand Heretics.

Where is the government control of big business at you whine about? The government did not take over the big banks or car companies, they just loaned them money and thankfully President Obama is making sure they pay it back. Go back to Fox and Freaks little clueless boy and come back if you ever grow up enough to distinguish Great Right Lies from the Real Truth.

Also you do not speak for the majority of Americans, just an Impotent Loudmouthed Minority!

Eric, it's a simple rule that most individuals follow and that is don't be putting your hands into other people's pockets. Just because your neighbor has more money than you doesn't entitle you to take his money or property, or entitle you to the benefits of his labor.

Dan, it seems to me that the Gulf States CERTAINLY want MORE government right now. Do you think that President Obama's 'liberal' agenda extends to them? Weren't they the same ones that said 'GOVERNMENT is the PROBLEM'?

Do you think if we had a little more control on companies like BP we would NOT have a catastrophe?

Would you agree, from your post, that we SHOULD leave the Gulf states to FEND for THEMSELVES because Government is the Problem?

Be careful what you wish for...

Spoken like a true Fox lemming. You parroted Fox word for word. Your gold star is in the mail from Fox.

But I suppose you think it's OK for the rich to put their hands in our pocks, and take what they want Dan G.? You do know the only ones you nuts are making rich is Beck, Hannity, O'rielly and the rest of the dim wits at Fox don't you. But by all means keep parroting them their laughing all the way to the bank.

Mo:

I thought Eric was ignorant but you have dethroned him. I have never seen any post by you that has sh!t to do with the conversation at hand. All you do is ATTEMPT to spin someones remarks into a web of stupidity in order to get an atta boy from your liberal buddies.

I know your little f##t butt is sitting in your grandmothers basement butt naked on the puter all day.

Speaking of homophobes...

Mo: Guess the Cheeto chomping knuckle dragger SURE told you now didn't he? LMAO

And in case you missed it ITM this is a 'atta boy' deal with it!

LMAO!!! True that, true that!

Oh please. The reason Mississippi has such high teen pregnancy rates and low graduation rates is because it is also the state with the largest population of blacks. Black democrats, to be more specific. The stats are exactly the same wherever there are large numbers of poor blacks...high teen preganancy and low high school graduation rates. This is not MY opinion, it is fact. Look it up. It skews the statistics to make Mississippi look bad when it can't possibly be the fault of the governor. The state has always been that way.

Multiple children born to single mothers always have and always will have low graduation rates. It's that simple. This is not racist to point this out. The same is true in areas where there are many poor whites. The adults are irresponsible(drugs, alcohol, laziness), they have children when they should not, this causes poverty. Those children grow up and repeat the cycle.

Ignorant southern accent huh? Ok. Southern libs on here may have something to say about that. Actually, they won't. They'll shut up and take it in the name of politics. Take one for the team, if you will. And anyone who dares call me a racist for stating what is true and everyone else is scared to say, better first take Eric to task for his anti-Semitism. Have a good day liberals!

You are too funny.

Hmmm, wonder why there are so many black folks in Mississippi . . . wonder how they got there . . . wonder if their ancestors were ever paid for their labor . . . could that have anything to do with them being poor?

Nah.

White folks didn't keep all the money from their ancestors labor, deny them an education and refuse to hire them.

Nope.

I guess a mind really is a terrible thing to waste.

You know, CU Farley, this post is low, even for you. It low even for ME. I REALLY don't think that you actually believe this drivel you've just posted. I believe you are just baiting people on this board. If you DO believe what you've posted, then you have just become persona non grata to me and this will be the LAST time I will ever answer your posts.

I like refuting comments I feel are wrong as much as the best of them (and sometimes I go over the top, I admit it), but this one is... well, it speaks for itself.

Hey Nash:

Actually according to statical research-- there are MORE whites in Mississippi that are in residence there than blacks and Eric's comment was factual and spot-on. Chuck-u needs to do some research before he attacks.

Hey Anita . . . I knew there weren't many "facts" backing up CU Farley's "opinion", so that is why I didn't waste my time going that route.

Tried to break it WAAAAAAAAAY down so that even the simplest person could understand.

Anita:

I'm surprised that you would co-sign on a remark that is really talking about you too. That idiot Eric disrespects the south with his remarks and you just give him a pass. I guess when white DEMOCRATS say racist BS it is okay but if a Republican says it; all hell breaks out.

Eric is a Mr. Charlie and if you are truly southern you know what I'm talking about. Racism and Predjudice does not distinguish between Democrat and Republican. I live next door to a latte' drinking , educated, white racist that is a staunch Democrat that can't stand me because I can afford to live in the same neighborhood. I can't stand his azz either so he stays in his yard and I stay in mine.

ITM:

What Eric stated wasn't racist it was fact. I posted the exact information to Claxter, MS months ago. As for you living in a particular neighborhood-- it really means nothing this day an time as many of us do live in such neighborhoods and think nothing of it; after all...it's a dwelling that requires payment or you lose it.

Too bad that your neighbor is held in such low regards...perhaps he's a "blue dog Democrat" no? They do exist; I call them under cover Republicans...we have them in our Party just as Republicans, Conservative Republicans and right-wing Republicans are in yours. Means nothing. But Eric was spot on. Do I need to post those stats again?

Or it might be that he doesn't like you because you seem to act like, you know, sort of an ass. That is if your real life personality is anything like your board personality.

Maybe some of you need to check YOUR facts. Mississippi is the state with the largest number of blacks in it. Let me put it another way to help you: of ALL the states, Miss. has the most black people. FACT. Black people routinely lead the nation in teen pregnancy and low graduation rates(FACT). Add 1+1 (that equals 2, Anita) and you have the FACT that if you subtracted blacks from Mississippi's statistics, they would be much closer to other states in all parts of the country. Got it?

Irresponsible behavior leads to poverty.

Just curious, Pietro and others. You all want to crucify CU for citing some facts. However, you give Eric a pass? Read his remarks about Gov Barbour again. I might not agree with CU 100% but at least he didn't call names and make nasty, snide remarks like Eric. Why is acceptable for Eric to day after day carry on with such outlandish behavior/statements? He never offers any really thought comments/ideas...only hate.

Farley:

Your 'facts' are wrong.

1.) The graduation rate of Mississippi's white students was the 4th lowest in the nation in 2001.

2.) The graduation rate of Mississippi's black students was the 16th lowest in the nation in 2001.

3.) The graduation rate of Mississippi's white students was only 4% higher than its overall average, a slightly higher percentage, but certainly not proof that 'if you subtracted blacks from Mississippi's statistics, they would be much closer to other states in all parts of the country.'

4.) The rate of teen pregnancy among white children in Mississippi is the 3rd highest in the nation.

5.) There are 12 states with higher rates of teen pregnancy among black children than Mississippi. Mississippi is tied with Rhode Island.

6.) Mississippi had the largest drop in teen pregnancy numbers in the nation from 2000-2005.

Conclusion: You aren't just offensive. You are also empirically, provably WRONG.

Repeat: WRONG.

Michael, good on you;

but why waste perfectly good facts on these goons - they've got their opinions - and just like the rest of their BS it all stinks.

But good effort! and thanks,

Clara,

You just automatically co-sign on something that stupid azzhole just stated. He didn't put up any links, just pulled that sh!t out of his ass. Then you go with the phukkin' name calling.

Micheal,

I wouldn't give a rats azz what you or my neighbor thought of me. You see I'm a strong black man. I'm not a damn Uncle Tom. Everything I have, I earned. I'm the reason you can sit your stupi azz on here and whine like the little b##h you are.

I don't give a shiznit about that redneck next door as long as he keep his azz in his yard and out of mine.

You can kick rocks........silly rabbit.

Michael Thompson:

I appreciate your research-- I posted that information months ago for another low information lemming of the right-wing; but it appears as though they have problems retaining facts.

Anita,

I have been real suttle with you lately but yet here you are dipping in and your usual siding with the other man. I don't appreciate this low information label either. When Liberals get caught up you go to the old low information BS. I am a very smart individual that has access to more information than I care to divulge into. You can have an opinion just like everyone else but you aren't the only one with facts. That civic report he is citing is from 2001. A whole lot of shiznit has changed in 9 yrs.

That dude is an idiot. You apparently don't know him.

::shrug::

If you have verifiable statistics to dispute those, then by all means post them. Saying you have information 'you don't care to divulge' pretty much means nothing more than you have no information. Calling me vulgar names doesn't bother me. I said you behave like an ass on the board and you pretty much cemented my impression of your behavior by immediately again acting like an ass.

Personal accountability is a great thing. If different people react to you in the same way, it usually isn't the people who are to blame for that. It's some characteristic of yours. You tend to post pointlessly hostile and basically meaningless things like, "You see I'm a strong black man. I'm not a damn Uncle Tom."

That is something an ass would say, especially to someone who could care less whether you are white, black, brown, mauve, or some shade of chartreuse.

Your race has nothing to do with the fact that you behave like an ass. The fact that you behave like an ass has something to do with the fact that you behave like an ass. Stop behaving like an ass and I'll talk to you like I talk to Frank Grimes or Alan from New Jersey or any number of reasonable posters from the other side of the political spectrum. I may not agree with them, but you'll notice I make no mention whatsoever of their behavior and the conversation is limited entirely to political subjects about which we disagree.

You, in a nutshell, are pretty much a tiny, little encapsulation of everything that is wrong with this country and of the reason that none of this nation's problems ever get solved. Because people like you cannot conceive of the fact that in order to solve problems, there must be cooperation from people on both sides of the partisan divide. People are much less likely to try to cooperate with people who they personally despise. And you have such a disagreeable personality that I cannot conceive of anyone on the left wing ever thinking about cooperating with you.

Hopefully you are just young. Because if you aren't, then you'll never grow out of this nonsense. If you are, then you have some hard life lessons ahead of you.

ITM,

I can see how my use of the word goon set you on edge - but really, you're calling me out for name calling with your foul mouth? Priceless. I see you haven't signed on with those anger management classes. I guess for you it's easier to curse the darkness than to turn on the flippin' light?

PS. It's subtle, mr. intelligence.

Sorry, but those weren't MY claims you were trying to counter, they were Erics. Remember, Eric said that Miss leads the nation in teen pregnancy and low graduation rates. I was saying that, if that is the case it is because Miss has the most black people of any state in the US, and that skews the rates because black teens get pregnant at a rate disproportionate to white teens.

http://digitaljournal.com/article/265057

I was not disputing where Mississippi stands in the national average in either of those statistics. I was disproving your rather asinine notion that the reason they rank where they rank is because they have too many black people who live there. Mississippi ranking third lowest in graduation rates among white students means what? That if all of the black people in the entire country, (discounting Latinos since your bigoted remarks seem only directed at black people during this particular thread), were removed, Mississippi would do no better than they do right now in these rankings. Additionally, there are 15 states with graduation rates among black students that rank lower than Mississippi. So what does that mean?

In means that when you include the black students and compare Mississippi to other states, Mississippi's black students HELPS the state since Mississippi's black students do better comparitively in graduation rates that its white students do.

The study you linked about teen pregnancy does not do a comparitive analysis regarding the teen pregnancy rates of white children and black children on a state to state basis. At least not that I can find. However, it also includes adults aged 18-19 in its findings. There is some statistical support, if you extrapolate it from a national level, in its tables to support your racist notion. However, the analysis only works if you do a national to state transposition, which is problematic at best.

Your entire notion is predicated on the premise that the reason Mississippi ranks high in teen pregnancy rates is because of its disproportionately high black population. In order for that notion to be true, then the other states that rank high in teen pregnancy rates would have to have disproportionately high black populations as well, right? So let's just look at the ones that have rates higher, (or about as high as), 60 per 1000 births.

Arizona
Arkansas
New Mexico
Oklahoma
Texas

Hrm. Your bigoted conclusion does not seem to be supported by analysis.

Anita,

I have been real subtle with you lately but yet here you are dipping in and your usual siding with the other man. I don't appreciate this low information label either. When Liberals get caught up you go to the old low information BS. I am a very smart individual that has access to more information than I care to divulge into. You can have an opinion just like everyone else but you aren't the only one with facts. That civic report he is citing is from 2001. A whole lot of shiznit has changed in 9 yrs.

That dude is an idiot. You apparently don't know him.

ITM:

That dude happens to be correct. I posted updated stats that I retrieved off of Mississippi's wed site a few months back that was CURRENT. It hasn't changed; please post the information that you have to support your challenge-- other wise; stop entering into conservations that you have no way of basing fact on-- you're playing the rope-a-dope. As far as you being subtle with me-- I have been with you also because you have approached me "lately" without the anger with civil discourse.

As far as me not knowing "who" Michael is...I wouldn't be too sure of that if I were you. I am a Liberal Democrat that stands firm with my party just as you stand firm with yours-- regardless of their faults and lies. I would like to here you admit just one time that your party has wronged this nation-- just once. When you can do that; I'll me more than happy to Amen you from the Amen corner.

Anita,

I'm not going there with you. I said I would be more civil with you because you know why but that dude can ki^^^^ my B@@@ a.. along with your buddy Fiesty.

BTW: I'm not an angry person. I just have a strong personality that don't take a back seat to anyone. My life experiences have taught me if you don't take a stand, you will definately fall.

Michelle Thompson:

I served 22 yrs so you figure out my age. Evidently your a young buck. When you experience life from my perspective or in walk in my shoes, then hollar at me....until then....Kick Rocks

ITM:

Why should you take certain comments so seriously? This is a political board; you have the same opportunity to present fact and state your case and cause. Why the anger when it's unnecessary? Michael stated fact; if you disagreed with what he stated you should have posted a rebuttal.

Yes Feisty is a FRIEND of mine and I have witnessed some seriously uncalled for language thrown at her that shouldn't have happened. We all have a perfect right to voice our opinions incomedice ways without the nasty because it will be reciprocated in a way that the receiver won't care for. Why would you tell someone to kiss you butt about a fact or comment that was stated with supporting documentation? That's not cool art all ITM. I say things to people that gey nasty with me...

Ahhh-hh-h, never mind, don't want to dignify this by responding.

No one could say it better !!

I saw some “street” interviews yesterday from BP stations. What amazed me most was that several people knew nothing about the spill.

How can anyone living in the US with the 24/7 news cycle know nothing about this disaster?

They know nothing about the disaster the same way they know nothing about the candidates they vote for. They are low info people, and predominantly white, male and republican.

Wow, Judyaz, just....wow. What a hateful, unsupported statement. Good for you, though, for making the narrative fit what YOU believe. Ridiculous.

Having trouble with the truth Jill? You Fox lemmings are low information people, like it or not.

What truth, Mo? The truth as YOU see it?

Well said !

I think that regardless of whether you are an Obama fan or not, we ( right, middle and left ) need to elect more intelligent people for poltical offices and not just the person who we would best like to have a beer with.

No more "TIN MEN" ( or women ) looking for a brain. We need some of the people that passed calculus in college to lead .

Great post Jody. Wish I could've voted twice

BTW- love this new system First Read

No Jill, the truth as it is. I know you Fox lemmings can't comprehend the truth, so we try to make it simple for you.

Mo, you are simple, so I can get on board with at least that statement.

I'm not a "Fox lemming", but thanks anyway. I read my news, because although the written news stories DO contain at least some bias, I don't have to actually listen to those on FOX or MSNBC spew their opinions as fact.

Actually there is no where in the Constitution that says being a Rhodes Scholar is a qualification to be POTUS.

Mo:

You need to get a life. Your little comebacks are lame and played out. All you got is FOX? Man get real and come correct.

Kick Rocks..F##t

Jody Iowa, well said. A little saying about Native Americans on trusting the government, but I would say would be appropriate for BP, is Real Eyes Realize Real Lies.

Kmac, I second your comments. As a nation, we need to grow up and help solve the problems facing the nation.

Leave it up to Anita to find something racial in every critic of the President.

Morning GF!

Did you by chance catch Chuck Todd & Savannah whining like a couple of petulant school kids about the smack down the President put on the 24/7 cable chatter?

All that was missing is Chuck's favorite... disdain remark... maybe he's finally realized that you get back what you give!

Dan:

LEAVE it up to Anita to tell it like it is. This President Isn't some trained ENTERTAINER for an action movie or some Billy bad ass that many in MSM had him pegged to be. I speak truth to fact and it you don't like it you know what to do. I happen to be the mother of one! Thank you.

BTW....IT IS RACIAL AND I'AM OFFENDED JUST AS MANY OF US ARE.

Good morning Red:

I missed it on purpose. I refuse to watch something where people are ignorant and disrespectful...they don't need my rating and I would rather not give it to them. They all deserve what they get because this is what we've been discussing all along. The President should remain calm in the midst of crisis-- not perform like some trained entertainer...

Anita,

I co-sign every point you made about the MSM media acting like real jack-asses. As far as those polls are concerned, even Mornin' Joe could not believe what he was seeing!

He stated unequivocally that because he was on the ground during the Katrina fiasco and saw the incompetence of the Federal, state and local governments that the response to the Spill was substantively much better. For God's sake reporters were bringing water to the Superdome because Fema took over a week to get there with water while people were dying in the streets. And those polled this week think this administration is not handling this crisis as well as Bush handled Katrina.

What the hell! I see bias written all over this because the facts don't support the poll numbers. 69% of the American people cannot possibly think the government has been unresponsive to this disaster.

I will never again put any stock in polls because this instance tells me everything I need to know about their validity.

Anita, it isn't racial at all...you're the ONLY one who believes that EVERY criticism of Obama originates from the fact that he is black. Unlike you, many of us accept him as more than just a black man; despite NOT agreeing with MOST of his supporters (I sincerely feel that many of them hopped on the bandwagon during the '08 election without really evaluating him as a candidate, but I digress), I (and many others) see him as an intelligent, thoughtful person even though I feel that he wasn't the best (wo)man for the job.

I really don't get why you and many like you see him as only a black man.

And, Anita, your use of the phrase "you people" is offensive on SO many levels.

You do realize Jill the phrase "you people" refers to you teabaggers and Fox lemmings don't you. That's because teabaggers and Fox are racist.

Shelia:

Thanks for being INTELLIGENT enough to grasp the understanding of my comment. Jill from Tulsa is stupid-- she thinks that anyone that tells the truth and mention color is being racist. Those polls are manufactured by the media and news papers. There is no way that they hold water. Thanks for the response.

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Jill:

What the media is doing is RACIST. Media is attempting to draw the President into a performance of what "they" consider to be the reaction of a BLACK MAN. They are looking for ENTERTAINMENT and EMOTION. What James Carville did was ENTERTAINMENT and he e-mailed me in an attempt to raise funds Miss Smart ass.

Your ass isn't black and therefore you have no idea of what you're saying-- It's nice to know that your definition of the use of "you people" is received by your racist ass as being that-- RACIST. I have a very rosy area that's soft as cotton and VERY firm-- you are welcomed to it Missy.

I don't care how many times you or the rest of your racist ranks dislike my calling you out. That's right-- I want you all to be very nervous and not like me saying what's fact; because I'm calling "you people" out for what you are. Yeah would would like it if I stop talking about what you really are-- wouldn't you? Forget about Jill; get used to it.

MO:

Thanks for the back-up to little Miss dense.

Jill:

P.S. I got your Many like me statement-- you tell me what the definition of that IS. I don't like dumb neo-cons...I've been around the world on a tea cup faster than the knowledge that you profess to have. What a very dense young lady you are. Now run along and practice your gun drills.

Anita, YOU are a tin-foil hat-wearing dumb$%*.

The media is not engaged in some orchestrated attempt to bait Obama into performing as they think a black man should. The media helped Obama get elected, and now you want to say they've turned on him? Please. Get over it. In your mind, ANY criticism of Obama starts and ends with the color of his skin, and you prove that with your comments here. How very disgustingly small-minded of you. Yes, I view your use of the phrase "you people" as racist in the context in which you used it, because that's EXACTLY what you meant. I don't know what James Carville's mass emails have to do with this, but whatever.

Anita, if it helps you to sleep at night to think that I and others on this board are racist because we don't agree with Obama, go right ahead. Your thought process thankfully does not alter reality. I just feel sorry for you, because you seem to be stuck on stupid and I know I would have a difficult time with life if I was in your shoes.

And keep your "rosy area" to yourself. I can assure you that NOBODY is interested in THAT.

Anita, my "many like you" statement was meant to identify people (like you) who think that any criticism of Obama derives from racism. Duh. And if you want to see dense, you should follow Michael Jackson's wise words and take a look at the "[wo]man in the mirror."

And, I don't like guns, fyi. Never shot one in my life.

Stop with all this "respect" crap. You only want people to respect him because he's black and a democrat...in that order. You showed no respect for Bush so don't expect any for your boy from others.

The MEDIA didn't HELP OBAMA to get elected-- granted many in the media voted for President OBAMA- your dumb ass is so misinformed that its just sad. You open wide and insert you foot. You deserve every bit of my invitation because you always attack unwilling to accept criticism. This could be a learning experience for you if you would just be open minded.

I don't recall you having walked a "mile" in my shoes or any other bi-racial or black person's shoes; therefore you don't know the definition of the word racist. Just because someone that's lived the experience comments with factual knowledge doesn't make them racist. It's people like you that wear the tin-foil hats, it's people like you that are hiding behind your true feelings that get offended when it's mentioned and immediately pull that little ploy-- you do that with hopes of dissuading other from commenting on fact. GROW UP.

If you're not offended-- then co-sign fact...until then...I suggest that you keep you musings to yourself.

Chuck U:

Do that will ya.

Anita, IF your comments EVER contained facts, I would listen. If you want to think I'm "hiding behind my true feelings", go right ahead. My true feelings are that I respect ALL people, and I hand out neither criticism nor praise based on the color of someone's skin. As far as me being neither black or bi-racial, that is true, however, I have the most beautiful niece and most handsome nephew who ARE bi-racial. I WOULD NEVER PROMOTE IDEALS OR A WORLD IN WHICH RACISM WAS ACCEPTABLE AND CAPABLE OF HARMING MY FAMILY!!!

Anita, YOU are an ignorant witch.

Jill:

You are a BIG lier-- if you had anyone in your family that was near to being like me you'd disown them. You don't have a singel bi-racial person in your family any more than you claimed to be a MF ing Democrat when you came out on this board. You don't know sh!t about anyone or anything and I don't know who you think that you're fooling...it's not any of us out here. You are offended by truth and fact-- take your lying butt someplace and get help.

Anita, YOU are an ignorant witch.

Jill:

Yes I am a very smart witch at that-- you'd do well to remember that little Miss; and since my broom is double parked I may as well hop on it and ride away! LMAO!!! and clacking like hell!!! LMAO!!!

Really Jill? Did you just say you respect ALLpeople... Hmmm then please explain this will ya?

Jill F., Tulsa, OK

As am I, but there's no better place to witness it than reading the comments of the likes of Anita (who is, at best, incoherent) and Feisty...

You're too easy honey! Guess what you mean is ALL people that are NOT Democrats...

Anita, I'm done with you. You are the most hateful, disrespectful, ignorant, little b---- that I have ever had the displeasure of "meeting." I am SADDENED by the fact that there are people out there who actually think like you do.

My niece and nephew ARE bi-racial, as my sister is married to a bi-racial man (they will celebrate their sixth wedding anniversary in a couple of weeks). I was maid of honor at my sister's wedding, and my brother-in-law has been a wonderful addition to our family. I was there when my niece was born (she's three), and I helped my sister for weeks after my nephew was recently born. Those kids are my world. I love them more than words can say, so for someone who doesn't even know me to say that I would disown my own family is reprehensible, even for you.

My statement that I would not promote anything that has the potential to harm my family stands, and I don't care if you don't believe me. You are proving YOUR character (it's pretty low) with each word that you type.

So, shut the f up and go away.

Feisty, you're too easy honey. I do respect all people, but some people are not quite deserving of that respect. You happen to be one of them, not because you're a Democrat, but because you like to post snarky little disrespectful comments to anyone who doesn't quite agree with you. Is that clear enough for you now?

"You showed no respect for Bush so don't expect any for your boy from others."

See? CFU really DOES believe two wrongs make a right. (btw, screwball- Bush EARNED it! Big differnce. He had support of all kinds after 9/11. HE fouled his own drawers, y' friggin' bean-bag!.)

Thanks Jill!

Can't tell you how entertaining it was watching you have your little meltdown! If nothing else it showed us all what happens when a little girl doesn't get what she wants...LMAO...

It's about time you run along and find someone you can suck up too! We all know your M.O.!

Attack... get your a@@ beat... retreat and suck up...

Better yet why don't you shut the F up and go away... see hon 2 can play that game!

What's next out of you? 'I know you are but what am I' Seriously...??

Feisty, it is hard sometimes to stomach the ignorance that is spewed on this board, but I in no way had a "meltdown." As usual, you make little sense, but hey, don't let that stop you and your little rants. As far as Anita goes, all she did was freak out and call me a liar (Anita, note the spelling), which I'm not, when the facts didn't quite fit what she believed to be the truth, but that's pretty typical of both of you.

Jill:

"Anita, I'm done with you. You are the most hateful, disrespectful, ignorant, little b---- that I have ever had the displeasure of "meeting." I am SADDENED by the fact that there are people out there who actually think like you do".

I just KNOW that you didn't call me a female DOG did you girl? If you want to see a b----, then I suggest that you look for your momma; that's your b----...not me. You had no business attacking my comments and again starting sh!t. It's childish. Yes you are a liar a BIG liar; if what I said angered you in the manner that it did to make you say such a nasty remark calling me a female dog-- then for sure you're a STINKING ROTTEN liar.

Why prove something that "you" know is fact if it's fact? I don't-- because fact stands on it's own. I don't give a rats ass about your sister or your little fake brats that you found it necessary to post out here. I'm so damn glad that my daughter-in-law's race doesn't have to be used when you call me racist. Get the hell on Jill and the next time-- be mindful of who you attack and what you say.

Yes, I did call you a female dog, and no, I don't "give a rats ass" about what you think of me. You're hateful, ignorant, and anyone who supports what you say is just as hateful and ignorant. I don't have to prove that you are a horrid person, as you've done quite a job of proving what kind of person you are with your idiotic comments. You are disgusting.

Jill:

You are the most childish despicable persons that I've ever had the pleasure of irritating the hell out of (LOL)-- and especially when your're ignorant enough to keep attacking me or my comments...only to come up real short. Your "opinion" of my comments means NOTHING; because you are a NOTHING and are in no position to draw such conclusions. I have thoroughly enjoyed kicking your ass and putting you back into your place though. Girl you better check your mammy.

Jill...be grateful that certain language isn't allowed on this board-- because if so-- I would have cussed you out some time ago. Jill-- I know that I can be a low down dirty b---- and I'm well aware that I am an undercover thug (many that know me are aware of that). I'm not a well behaved woman my dear and I'm so damn proud of that FACT.

Now run along and get a life...because a little dirt doesn't hurt! ROTFLMAO!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!

People, is this a group of adults, or is it a schoolyard recess? If it's recess, the bell rang, get back to class. If it's a group of adults, try to co-exist, if not peacefully, then at least without the hairpulling.

Living in L.A.:

I totally agree-- but I've ignored this one in the past and it resulted in this exchange. She doesn't go away and I'm not going to pacify her. She shouldn't attack comments and not expect retribution. This isn't her board and she doesn't get to decide whose opinions matter. She claims to be a student of law-- if so...I know that she didn't pass the bar and I doubt that she will because she allowed me to rattle her cage and she cracked-- in so much that she called me REAL nasty names. I wish her well-- because I'm not thin skinned...I know who I am...she needs to learn....

It's become painfully obvious that Anita is a paid, right-wing plant sent here to perpetuate negative stereotypes about black females...or maybe she really is that much of a b***h.

Chuck U:

I'am your WORST nightmare; and if your bigoted comments about black females appear to perpetuate negative comments and thoughts and are stereotypical just as you are-- then the thoughts that you have regarding us are indeed perpetuate and therefore my paltry remarks or actions mean Nada.

BTW...I haven't overlooked what you've called me you little PP coward.

Penny-470143:
Thanks for stating this it needed to be said. I am offended by MSM's lack of reporting news events; it as you've said-- they are attempting to create news as oppose to reporting it. Many in the media fail to realize that us bloggers are in charge of opinion, facts, spreading the facts and actually holding them accountable.
MSNBC's CEO mentioned in an article that we wanted MSNBC to follow a different format; he commented on the ratings that FOX receives. I say to him (CEO)-- your network is becoming a circus where many of us are turning away from. We want REAL news without rude journalist that are there to entertain.

Good comment Anita, the more MSNBC tries to become Fox light the more it's ratings look like CNN.

I agree it is VERY disappointing to see EVERYONE except Rachel Maddow jump on the "optic" bandwagon. I'm just glad President Obama should Chuck Todd and the others he doesn't "DANCE TO THEIR TUNE..."how refreshing

I wholeheartedly agree with your comment, Anita, about the poor reporting of news events by mainstream media. Is anyone out there reporting on the closing of polling places in Arkansas (presumably to discourage Bill Halter's followers?) I saw this on an internet article--can someone independently verify this?

More chicanery afoot, but NO mainstream reporting. Where are the questions about long term health effects, weather effects, marine life effects of the oil spill? Why isn't the BP manipulation of Google a bigger news item than it's been? WHY? Why isn't Morning Joe OUTRAGED by it?

The ratings FOX receives are from it's energized, sheeple base. Folks that want to be TOLD what to think and what to say vs making their minds up with facts. But, unfortunately, facts are few and far between unless you count Keith and Rachel's shows. And I'll keep sayin it and sayin it.

I wholeheartedly agree with your comment, Anita, about the poor reporting of news events by mainstream media. Is anyone out there reporting on the closing of polling places in Arkansas (presumably to discourage Bill Halter's followers?) I saw this on an internet article--can someone independently verify this?

More chicanery afoot, but NO mainstream reporting. Where are the questions about long term health effects, weather effects, marine life effects of the oil spill? Why isn't the BP manipulation of Google a bigger news item than it's been? WHY? Why isn't Morning Joe OUTRAGED by it?

The ratings FOX receives are from it's energized, sheeple base. Folks that want to be TOLD what to think and what to say vs making their minds up with facts. But, unfortunately, facts are few and far between unless you count Keith and Rachel's shows. And I'll keep sayin it and sayin it.

Good comment Anita, the more MSNBC tries to become Fox light the more it's ratings look like CNN.

Penny: Thank you for your comment. Chuck, I hope you are reading these comments. Instead of having people such as Howard Fineman on the "news" shows to give opinions, it would be much more enlightening to have more guests such as Phillipe Coustaux. All you analysts do is try to be more sensational than the guy on before you and you. Howard Fineman wants the president to be angrier and suggests he isn't doing enough. He even was dumb enough to mention bringing in the Corp. of Engineers. I have no clue what they would do to stop the spill. If the president started jumping up and down, these same people would say he was panicking. This president can't win no matter what he does. And Chuck, as for being arrogant and ignorant... try looking in the mirror.

I agree it is VERY disappointing to see EVERYONE except Rachel Maddow jump on the "optic" bandwagon. I'm just glad President Obama should Chuck Todd and the others he doesn't "DANCE TO THEIR TUNE..."how refreshing

Thanks everyone; sometime I feel as though I'm fighting a losing battle and I'm so grateful that we see what's really happening to media in this country. Thanks to Penny for putting it out here for comment-- you guy's we all have to stick together and spread the REAL NEWS.

Example: There was an explosion in Texas on yesterday that was first reported that 10 people were missing at a natural gas explosion-- within minutes every "supposed" credible news source had it wrong...but hey; they had it posted for comment, started speculation....so sad...so sad. Thanks for the response.

Penny,

Exactly, wholeheartedly, 100% agree. The MSM dropped the ball on GWB and especially Cheney and now they parse every single thing the President says - and most often what the MSM says is crap. It's ridiculous.

P.S. Just when I think I have the hang of this . . .

Ginger:

Good to see you back on the board again and I agree that MSM has let news worthy events that are affecting our lives go by the way-side in attempts to get President Obama to crack under pressure. Little do they know what they are attempting to do is $iss off the majority of their viewers.

As a mother of an AA male-- I raised him to be calm in the midst of pressure; because thuggery coming from him will only serve to damage his reputation and kill his ability to earn a living for his family in a world that's designed for him to FAIL.

The stereotypical views of AA males are indeed sad to say the least. They aren't all thugs and the voters of both races were able to detect that-- that's how and why President Obama was elected. We didn't elect a thug-- we elected an intelligent pragmatic leader...someone that this nation needed in order to mend the broken and marred image of this nation and especially behind the Bush Administration.

There are MANY problems that President Obama must address before he can even act in any way to protect the citizens. Every singel thing that was done in the prior Administration left mountains of danger and uncertainty for our great nation; and now is not the time for the media to attempt to play politics with what's left of our lives that President Obama is trying to salvage.

Thanks for your comment Ginger! :)